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I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher
    #7232441 - 07/27/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

So my roommate decided that he wanted to convince me to be a Christian today (he comes from a family of missionaries) and he tried to talk to me about Jesus and why I should believe in him. Personally, I'm a militant atheist and he knows it because I talk to him and my other roommate about how pointless it is to believe in a god that you only believe in cause your parents brainwashed you into it and your surrounding community is a member of it. So today, he decides to call his preacher grandfather who has been preaching for 30 years.

We start off the conversation with the fact that if you believe in Jesus at least you will have a chance in going to heaven (pascals wager). I responded with the fact that the notion he presented wasn't true. The only reason people are Christians is because their family are Christians and people from around the world are victim to what they are taught, not a true religion. He then stated that I was a "lost soul" because I was too educated in the religions of the world. I responded with, "How can you be too educated, ignorance is not the path to spiritual enlightenment." He then stated that my mind was polluted and that It would be hard to find Christianity. I stated , "Its because I am too smart that I wont find Christianity."

We continued to go back and forth all along the array of religion when the final key point was reached. He said, "I felt the holy spirit in my life, I was gambling, fighting, drinking, fucking whores and one day I felt the love of the holy spirit and I knew Christianity was the true path." I called bullshit. I said, "You didn't find Christianity and you didn't find the holy spirit. You simply had a spiritual experience that was beyond your understanding and since the only thing you had ever experienced in your life was Christianity you blamed it on that. If you were raised in Iran you would have blamed Mohammad, if you were raised in India you would have blamed Vishnu, if you were raised in china you would have blamed Buddha." To this, he was quite, then laughed and said, "you just haven't experienced spirituality yet son." I then began to laugh and said, "You know how I attain spirituality, I do it with DRUGS. Not any drug that damages me, I do mushrooms and they let me look into my soul and find what i need to fix, thats my spirituality and if you want to challenge me to find Christ I challenge you to try mushrooms and look deep inside your soul and there you will find spirituality." He said to each his own and had nothing else to say, I proved him wrong on every point and he is a preacher of Christian doctrine for over 30 years. I feel great, because I was able to prove a man wrong in this area, even though he will brush it off cause it conflicts with his beliefs, I feel that now, I can defend my beliefs. That is all.

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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7232448 - 07/27/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

you didn't prove him wrong. that's not something that you can prove right or wrong. he still has his views, and you still have yours.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: nightkrawler]
    #7232449 - 07/27/07 11:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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you didn't prove him wrong. that's not something that you can prove right or wrong. he still has his views, and you still have yours.




I feel i did in the fact that the only reason he felt the holy spirit was because that was the only thing he could relate to. but in the end you are correct.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7232454 - 07/27/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

ANYTHING is possible when you die. whether it be, god, gods, reincarnation, black people, science, nothing and by nothing I mean seriously nothing like where you don't exist anymore. Death could be the worst thing that happens to you, or it can be the best thing to ever happen to you.

I keep my mind open to anything that can happen when you die. Because anything really is possible.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7232463 - 07/27/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Good job.. I believe in God, but I don't choose to remain ignorant out of fear.

Can I ask you why you don't believe in a God? Also you said that you attain spirituality with drugs, but don't believe in any God.. so whats the basis for your spirituality you seem to have attained?


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7232473 - 07/28/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

you seem like the kind of athiest that annoys me as much as hardcore christians. someone so convinced that his way is the right way and that anyone with a different opinion is either blind or stupid. or maybe it's just smug arrogance i'm getting a whiff of.

regardless, for your sake and for the sake of those who stand to be in your presence, i hope you're not that kind of person.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7232498 - 07/28/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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aDoS said:
ANYTHING is possible when you die. whether it be, god, gods, reincarnation, black people, science, nothing and by nothing I mean seriously nothing like where you don't exist anymore. Death could be the worst thing that happens to you, or it can be the best thing to ever happen to you.

I keep my mind open to anything that can happen when you die. Because anything really is possible.




yes, however, i would rather live my life happily and whatever happens when you die happens, no reason to hypothesis something you have not a fucking clue about.

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Good job.. I believe in God, but I don't choose to remain ignorant out of fear.

Can I ask you why you don't believe in a God? Also you said that you attain spirituality with drugs, but don't believe in any God.. so whats the basis for your spirituality you seem to have attained?




I dont believe in god because religion is the biggest waste of time in the world. The only way a recognition of god can really be achieved is through religion because they actually claim to have semi-proof of his existance. Otherwise no god has shown himself to me so I dont believe.

Spirituality doesnt have to be with a god, my spirituality is attained through introspection and understanding human beings at the very core. Realizing that we can be the most lovable creatures and horrible uncaring monsters at the same time.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7232499 - 07/28/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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you seem like the kind of athiest that annoys me as much as hardcore christians. someone so convinced that his way is the right way and that anyone with a different opinion is either blind or stupid. or maybe it's just smug arrogance i'm getting a whiff of.

regardless, for your sake and for the sake of those who stand to be in your presence, i hope you're not that kind of person.




nah, dude tried to convert me, so i unleashed the beast


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7232508 - 07/28/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i don't know why christians think pascal's wager is such a great argument. i've heard it brought up all the time too. when i argue with well learned christians the argument always ends up with this element of "faith". i manage to always come to an agreement with them that the christian god can not be completely proven to be real but that there is at least some part of you that must come to believe without evidence; which in my mind is insane and ridiculous.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: fearfect]
    #7232520 - 07/28/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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i don't know why christians think pascal's wager is such a great argument. i've heard it brought up all the time too. when i argue with well learned christians the argument always ends up with this element of "faith". i manage to always come to an agreement with them that the christian god can not be completely proven to be real but that there is at least some part of you that must come to believe without evidence; which in my mind is insane and ridiculous.




anyways, pascals wager only works when you have one definant religion, not multiple religions with same probability of existance (in my opinion 0 chance)


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7232539 - 07/28/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: you should've told him to go fuck himself.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7232549 - 07/28/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I get very tired of the "I choose to remain ignorant because I'm scared to ask myself questions" attitude also, Christian or not, but don't let a few useful idiots with bad wording keep you from seeing a bigger picture.

  I used to think like you, and then I realized Christianity isn't about what brainwashed church goers try to force down your throat today in the world. Psychedelics helped me with this. I thought more about how Jesus allegedly was.. his actions and persona, and then I thought about how earth would be if everyone followed in his footsteps. I like to think we would be living in a radically different place today. One where people are helped when they make a bad decision.. not punished. And one where people are free to do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else without persecution. This crystal clear realization changed me long ago, and is still changing me today. Treating people good.. even those who have hurt me, makes me feel happier for some reason.. maybe it's like some kind of sick pleasure for being good and nice to people who are the opposite. I really don't know, but for some reason it does. Maybe I create less bad energy to dish out on people so therefore it doesn't bog me down as much.. who the fuck really knows :smile:

  Heres a scenario: Lets say that Jesus was just a regular joe who wanted to do good and change the world. Not the son of God and a virgin mother. So he goes around and creates a religion and all the bells and whistles to go with it. Was to follow the Christian religion ever the point in the first place? Or was his intent to promote good and moral actions from many people for milleniums to come? Could this be how all religions were created? From people who just wanted more good from their fellow men, but somehow needed a system to promote it?

You may not be able to prove that the Christian God is THE REAL God, but I don't think you can deny the fact that the main theme in Christianity is to do good and what is right. Isn't it great how so many radical Christians are so radically hypocritical? Don't get me wrong though.. I maybe a Christian, but I definitely don't dismiss other plausible scenarios or try to force a lifestyle down someones throat.

You don't have to be a Christian to be a good person.. that is far from what I am saying. I am simply saying that Jesus would be a good role model for many :thumbup:. I know some atheists are good people, but religions do teach. I guess I'm one for knowledge.

  People will believe what they choose to, and this doesn't bother me in the least. But holy shit some of the fucking atheists are just as bad as radical Christians.. or radical muslims.. or w/e.. when it comes to bitching and pushing their shit down others throats. (Not intended towards you OP.) But yeah, I hate to hear bitching and drama from any side :wink:


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7232552 - 07/28/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

jesus wrote the bible, christians read the bible.....only a few dozen americans can read this bible.

the books that come off the print press is just entertainment. Hell its not better than a newspaper i feel, every couple years they get a new "updated" version...

i always wonder how jesus finds the time to reincarnate himself every few years to update it


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7232557 - 07/28/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

By trying to convince everyone that there is no god, how are you any better than the preacher?

I'm no more Christian than you are, but I don't judge people just because they choose to believe in something I do not. If followers of Christianity, or any religion for that matter, find happiness in their lives by following the bible and all that, who am I to say they are wrong?

Now I can see you may be a bit peeved that they are trying to force their ways on you, but I doubt your friend put a gun to your head and made you listen. You also typed about how you are always talking to your roommate and your friend about what bullshit religion is and all that, so you are pushing your own beliefs on him as well.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: paradox_]
    #7232570 - 07/28/07 12:39 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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By trying to convince everyone that there is no god, how are you any better than the preacher?

I'm no more Christian than you are, but I don't judge people just because they choose to believe in something I do not. If followers of Christianity, or any religion for that matter, find happiness in their lives by following the bible and all that, who am I to say they are wrong?

Now I can see you may be a bit peeved that they are trying to force their ways on you, but I doubt your friend put a gun to your head and made you listen. You also typed about how you are always talking to your roommate and your friend about what bullshit religion is and all that, so you are pushing your own beliefs on him as well.





nah, i was defending my beliefs from him, also, i love to argue.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: paradox_]
    #7232574 - 07/28/07 12:41 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i think the biggest thing with christians is how they have zero common sense, yet they use really educated words. Most christians in a discussion will either say "because god" "because jesus" "have faith" to anything they havn't a clue about which really irks me.

i dunno its 2 sides to a coin but these are my major pet peaves


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7232603 - 07/28/07 12:57 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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i think the biggest thing with christians is how they have zero common sense, yet they use really educated words. Most christians in a discussion will either say "because god" "because jesus" "have faith" to anything they havn't a clue about which really irks me.

i dunno its 2 sides to a coin but these are my major pet peaves




FAITH IS THE FUNNIEST FUCKING THING IN THE WORLD!! Its like you get bonus points for being an ignorant fuck that doesnt need proof for belief. Seriously, religion rewards you for making yourself stupid.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7232604 - 07/28/07 12:57 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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jesus wrote the bible, christians read the bible.....only a few dozen americans can read this bible.

the books that come off the print press is just entertainment. Hell its not better than a newspaper i feel, every couple years they get a new "updated" version...

i always wonder how jesus finds the time to reincarnate himself every few years to update it




jesus did not write the bible.

in fact more than half of the bible was already around before jesus even supposedly lived. and then the second half started getting written by many different people starting over one generation after jesus is said to have died.

it would be quite something to have actual text that was written by the ultimate being himself, but i guess he was just too busy.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: fearfect]
    #7232616 - 07/28/07 01:02 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

WTF! i didn't know that!

i swear growing up, everyone i ever talked to heard ect ect...jesus wrote the bible with some other guy can't remember his name.

something about god told jesus to write it....maybe im thinking of a different religion?....theirs so many its crazy

anyways so what did jesus sopposedly do according to christians during his time on earth???

i mean besides dieing for "my" sins


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: fearfect]
    #7232618 - 07/28/07 01:03 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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jesus wrote the bible, christians read the bible.....only a few dozen americans can read this bible.

the books that come off the print press is just entertainment. Hell its not better than a newspaper i feel, every couple years they get a new "updated" version...

i always wonder how jesus finds the time to reincarnate himself every few years to update it




jesus did not write the bible.

in fact more than half of the bible was already around before jesus even supposedly lived. and then the second half started getting written by many different people starting over one generation after jesus is said to have died.

it would be quite something to have actual text that was written by the ultimate being himself, but i guess he was just too busy.




meh, new testament was created @ council of worms and other councils like it that decided what the actual christian belief was going to be


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7232636 - 07/28/07 01:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

he healed people, rose one from the dead (lazarus), made blind people see, cured leprosy for a few people, did lots of other magic tricks and then told everyone to love each other and brush their teeth. other than that, he didn't do anything really lasting. being nice to other people in your group is a fundamental part of a growing society and has been around for quite some time before jesus. but he also told us that we are horrible natural born sinners deserving to burn in hell for ever, but that by his grace (which he tried to exhibit while on earth) we will be granted the gift of life in heaven where we get to worship him nonstop just because we love him so much.

oh and he also claimed to be the son of god which was against the rules in that jewish society.

but none of this was actually written by jesus, it was all hearsay passed down. and then 30 years after his death some people decided that they might want to write it down.

it's almost as fucking ridiculous as reading tablets out of a hat


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7232643 - 07/28/07 01:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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jesus wrote the bible, christians read the bible.....only a few dozen americans can read this bible.

the books that come off the print press is just entertainment. Hell its not better than a newspaper i feel, every couple years they get a new "updated" version...

i always wonder how jesus finds the time to reincarnate himself every few years to update it




jesus did not write the bible.

in fact more than half of the bible was already around before jesus even supposedly lived. and then the second half started getting written by many different people starting over one generation after jesus is said to have died.

it would be quite something to have actual text that was written by the ultimate being himself, but i guess he was just too busy.




meh, new testament was created @ council of worms and other councils like it that decided what the actual christian belief was going to be




no the new testament was put together by a council. it was written by many people, all having been alive well after jesus' death though. a majority of it is simply letters from paul to different churches around the world.

this council decided which works were divinely inspired and other nonesense and reaffirms how bullshit the bible really is. it is a collection of stories written by PEOPLE that was collected by PEOPLE. These very same people that it relentlessly claims are incredibly fallible sinners.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: fearfect]
    #7232781 - 07/28/07 02:27 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Unless you're the pope, in which case you're infallible :rolleyes:


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7232822 - 07/28/07 03:08 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Good job.. I believe in God, but I don't choose to remain ignorant out of fear.

Can I ask you why you don't believe in a God? Also you said that you attain spirituality with drugs, but don't believe in any God.. so whats the basis for your spirituality you seem to have attained?




Let me get this straight. Your suggesting that the basis of spirituality has to be a  God? :rolleyes:


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    #7232825 - 07/28/07 03:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

"Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine,
And if he had wanted to,
He could have turned wheat into marijuana,
Sugar into cocaine,
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water and swam on the land
He would tell these stories and people would listen
He was really cool
If you were blind, or lame,
You just went up to Jesus*
And he would put his hands on you and you would be healed
That's so cool

He could have played guitar better than Hendrix
He could have told the future
He could have baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could have scored more goals than Wayne Gretsky
He could have danced better than Barishnikof
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of

Jesus told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was,
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead!
He rose from the dead,
Danced around and went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool
No wonder there are so many Christians" - King Missile

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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: Sinbad]
    #7232877 - 07/28/07 05:03 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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"Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine,
And if he had wanted to,
He could have turned wheat into marijuana,
Sugar into cocaine,
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water and swam on the land
He would tell these stories and people would listen
He was really cool
If you were blind, or lame,
You just went up to Jesus*
And he would put his hands on you and you would be healed
That's so cool

He could have played guitar better than Hendrix
He could have told the future
He could have baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could have scored more goals than Wayne Gretsky
He could have danced better than Barishnikof
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of

Jesus told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was,
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead!
He rose from the dead,
Danced around and went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool
No wonder there are so many Christians" - King Missile

:lol:




Damn.. I thought that song was going to be a badass sarcastic bit from the lyrics. But..  :fishslap: :stonedjerk:


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    #7232882 - 07/28/07 05:11 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lolwhut said:
FAITH IS THE FUNNIEST FUCKING THING IN THE WORLD!! Its like you get bonus points for being an ignorant fuck that doesnt need proof for belief. Seriously, religion rewards you for making yourself stupid.




For the record, there is a difference between faith and blind faith, to which you are referring. These are aspects of faith most take for granted, but can often be overlooked when one is trying to determine a source of unrest inside. (Or, in other words, these less-acknowledged aspects of faith are highly relevant to spirituality and should not be discounted.)

Faith in your own subconscious actions, for instance... or faith in the laws of physics.

Just some thoughts. Faith gets a bad rap from those who apply the concept mixed with ignorance and denial.


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    #7232883 - 07/28/07 05:19 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i have become confused by people who claim atheism.

whether it be god religion in posters case shrooms, spirituality (whatever the fuck that is) is in all of our lives.

what im trying to say is that people who do not believe in anything are lost. no mater what your faith is about, god, jesus, happiness, the thought process of the mind, love,...etc. without faith in something a person ,in my opinion, is empty, and hopeless.

you shouldn't be pissed about christians, but rather the fact that he tried to impose upon you.


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    #7232889 - 07/28/07 05:28 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with the above two posts. :thumbup:


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7233174 - 07/28/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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JacquesCousteau said:
Quote:

lolwhut said:
FAITH IS THE FUNNIEST FUCKING THING IN THE WORLD!! Its like you get bonus points for being an ignorant fuck that doesnt need proof for belief. Seriously, religion rewards you for making yourself stupid.




For the record, there is a difference between faith and blind faith, to which you are referring. These are aspects of faith most take for granted, but can often be overlooked when one is trying to determine a source of unrest inside. (Or, in other words, these less-acknowledged aspects of faith are highly relevant to spirituality and should not be discounted.)

Faith in your own subconscious actions, for instance... or faith in the laws of physics.


Just some thoughts. Faith gets a bad rap from those who apply the concept mixed with ignorance and denial.




well you tell me where in religion it doesnt use "Blind faith" because thats what it is, and what i said still applies


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7233392 - 07/28/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

First time I had read the Bible
It had stroke me as unwitty
I think it may started rumor
That the Lord ain't got no humor

Put me inside SSC
Let's test superstring theory
Oh yoi yoi accelerate the protons
stir it twice and then just add me, 'cause

I don't read the Bible
I don't trust disciple
Even if they're made of marble
Or Canal Street bling

From the maelstrom of the knowledge
Into the labyrinth of doubt
Frozed underground ocean
melting - nuking on my mind

Yes give me Everything Theory
Without Nazi uniformity
My brothers are protons
My sisters are neurons
Stir it twice, it's instant family!

I don't read the Bible
I don't trust disciple
Even if they're made of marble
Or Canal Street bling

My brothers are protons
My sisters are neurons
Stir it twice dlja prekrastnih dam...

Do you have sex maniacs
Or schizophrenics
Or astrophysicists in your family
Was my grandma anti anti
Was my grandpa bounty bounty
Hek-o-hek-o-hej-o
They ask me in embassy!

'Cause I don't read the Bible
I don't trust disciple
Even if they're made of marble
Or Canal Street bling

And my grandma she was anti!
And my grandpa he was bounty!
And stir it twice
And then just add me!
Partypartypartypartypartyparty
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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7233399 - 07/28/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: nightkrawler]
    #7233408 - 07/28/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

In a group there is untruth.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7233413 - 07/28/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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My battle with a Preacher...





I battled one once, he went down faster than Jimmy Swaggart on a prostitute


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    #7233481 - 07/28/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7233499 - 07/28/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

faith in what? Humanity?


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    #7233522 - 07/28/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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faith in what? Humanity?




what are you talkin about man?


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    #7233554 - 07/28/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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lolwhut said:
Quote:

JacquesCousteau said:
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lolwhut said:
FAITH IS THE FUNNIEST FUCKING THING IN THE WORLD!! Its like you get bonus points for being an ignorant fuck that doesnt need proof for belief. Seriously, religion rewards you for making yourself stupid.




For the record, there is a difference between faith and blind faith, to which you are referring. These are aspects of faith most take for granted, but can often be overlooked when one is trying to determine a source of unrest inside. (Or, in other words, these less-acknowledged aspects of faith are highly relevant to spirituality and should not be discounted.)

Faith in your own subconscious actions, for instance... or faith in the laws of physics.


Just some thoughts. Faith gets a bad rap from those who apply the concept mixed with ignorance and denial.




well you tell me where in religion it doesnt use "Blind faith" because thats what it is, and what i said still applies



*Sigh*


You seem just as close-minded as the Christians you so detest.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7233576 - 07/28/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

no fuckin clue:ohwell::awesome:


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7233627 - 07/28/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lolwhut said:
Quote:

nightkrawler said:
it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?




there is no proof on this material plane to support the existence of god, just as there is no proof to deny the existence of god. an agnostic would be perfectly faithless. being an atheist, you say in complete certainty, that there is no god. how can you say that, without having faith that there isnt a god?


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    #7233649 - 07/28/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

you guys stop clouding the debate with valid points and sound reasoning...


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    #7233826 - 07/28/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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MiddleFinger said:
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lolwhut said:
Quote:

JacquesCousteau said:
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lolwhut said:
FAITH IS THE FUNNIEST FUCKING THING IN THE WORLD!! Its like you get bonus points for being an ignorant fuck that doesnt need proof for belief. Seriously, religion rewards you for making yourself stupid.




For the record, there is a difference between faith and blind faith, to which you are referring. These are aspects of faith most take for granted, but can often be overlooked when one is trying to determine a source of unrest inside. (Or, in other words, these less-acknowledged aspects of faith are highly relevant to spirituality and should not be discounted.)

Faith in your own subconscious actions, for instance... or faith in the laws of physics.


Just some thoughts. Faith gets a bad rap from those who apply the concept mixed with ignorance and denial.




well you tell me where in religion it doesnt use "Blind faith" because thats what it is, and what i said still applies



*Sigh*


You seem just as close-minded as the Christians you so detest.




i never said i detested religion nor did i ever portray myself to be close minded


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    #7233836 - 07/28/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

nightkrawler said:
Quote:

lolwhut said:
Quote:

nightkrawler said:
it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?




there is no proof on this material plane to support the existence of god, just as there is no proof to deny the existence of god. an agnostic would be perfectly faithless. being an atheist, you say in complete certainty, that there is no god. how can you say that, without having faith that there isnt a god?




No, i can agree that there is a chance that a god exists. There is no denying that. But what defines an atheist is the fact that we realize that the probability of a god existing is almost null because it defy's evolution and the way we have come to understanding this universe.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: pong]
    #7233846 - 07/28/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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pong said:
i have become confused by people who claim atheism.

whether it be god religion in posters case shrooms, spirituality (whatever the fuck that is) is in all of our lives. 

what im trying to say is that people who do not believe in anything are lost. 




You seem to be confusing atheism with nihilism.:nono:


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    #7233848 - 07/28/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lolwhut said:
Quote:

nightkrawler said:
it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?




Indeed, that definitely smells like the freshly made variety. :lol:


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7233860 - 07/28/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

StreetFreak said:
Quote:

Sinbad said:
"Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine,
And if he had wanted to,
He could have turned wheat into marijuana,
Sugar into cocaine,
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water and swam on the land
He would tell these stories and people would listen
He was really cool
If you were blind, or lame,
You just went up to Jesus*
And he would put his hands on you and you would be healed
That's so cool

He could have played guitar better than Hendrix
He could have told the future
He could have baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could have scored more goals than Wayne Gretsky
He could have danced better than Barishnikof
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of

Jesus told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was,
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead!
He rose from the dead,
Danced around and went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool
No wonder there are so many Christians" - King Missile

:lol:




Damn.. I thought that song was going to be a badass sarcastic bit from the lyrics. But..  :fishslap: :stonedjerk:




I wonder if you have a sense of humor? I laughed so hard when I heard that song. Almost as much as when I heard their detachable penis song. :lol:


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7234036 - 07/28/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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lolwhut said:
Quote:

nightkrawler said:
Quote:

lolwhut said:
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nightkrawler said:
it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?




there is no proof on this material plane to support the existence of god, just as there is no proof to deny the existence of god. an agnostic would be perfectly faithless. being an atheist, you say in complete certainty, that there is no god. how can you say that, without having faith that there isnt a god?




No, i can agree that there is a chance that a god exists. There is no denying that. But what defines an atheist is the fact that we realize that the probability of a god existing is almost null because it defy's evolution and the way we have come to understanding this universe.




it doesnt defy evolution...it only defies evolution if you take the bible literally. so if you can agree that there's a chance that god exists, then you don't have complete faith in atheism.

you'd be irrational to believe 100% that god cant exist, and you'd be irrational to believe 100% that god does exist. it's both faith, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: Sinbad]
    #7234099 - 07/28/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Sinbad said:
Quote:

lolwhut said:
Quote:

nightkrawler said:
it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?




Indeed, that definitely smells like the freshly made variety. :lol:





you know what? call it the opposite of faith. there's no word for it that i know of, but it's equally as irrational.


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    #7234533 - 07/28/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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nightkrawler said:
Quote:

lolwhut said:
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nightkrawler said:
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lolwhut said:
Quote:

nightkrawler said:
it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?




there is no proof on this material plane to support the existence of god, just as there is no proof to deny the existence of god. an agnostic would be perfectly faithless. being an atheist, you say in complete certainty, that there is no god. how can you say that, without having faith that there isnt a god?




No, i can agree that there is a chance that a god exists. There is no denying that. But what defines an atheist is the fact that we realize that the probability of a god existing is almost null because it defy's evolution and the way we have come to understanding this universe.




it doesnt defy evolution...it only defies evolution if you take the bible literally. so if you can agree that there's a chance that god exists, then you don't have complete faith in atheism.

you'd be irrational to believe 100% that god cant exist, and you'd be irrational to believe 100% that god does exist. it's both faith, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.




so it seems we basically agree except for the fact that you have a need to believe something else is out there that exists as a god. This very well may be true but of what relavence does it have? Does he come and kick it with us, does he impact our daily lives, does he do anything at all that is of relavance to us? Sure, some superpower might exist in the world but who cares, he's busy doing his thing and we are busy doing ours, should our paths ever cross we will deal with it then but until that time comes, who gives a fuck? really.


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    #7234537 - 07/28/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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nightkrawler said:
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Sinbad said:
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lolwhut said:
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nightkrawler said:
it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?




Indeed, that definitely smells like the freshly made variety. :lol:





you know what? call it the opposite of faith. there's no word for it that i know of, but it's equally as irrational.




I dont think i have ever seen anyone fail as hard as you just did.


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    #7234583 - 07/28/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Sinbad said:
Quote:

StreetFreak said:
Quote:

Sinbad said:
"Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine,
And if he had wanted to,
He could have turned wheat into marijuana,
Sugar into cocaine,
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water and swam on the land
He would tell these stories and people would listen
He was really cool
If you were blind, or lame,
You just went up to Jesus*
And he would put his hands on you and you would be healed
That's so cool

He could have played guitar better than Hendrix
He could have told the future
He could have baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could have scored more goals than Wayne Gretsky
He could have danced better than Barishnikof
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of

Jesus told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was,
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead!
He rose from the dead,
Danced around and went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool
No wonder there are so many Christians" - King Missile

:lol:




Damn.. I thought that song was going to be a badass sarcastic bit from the lyrics. But..  :fishslap: :stonedjerk:




I wonder if you have a sense of humor? I laughed so hard when I heard that song. Almost as much as when I heard their detachable penis song. :lol:




heh yeah.. I definitely laughed at the lyrics pretty hard.. I was way stoned. Unfortunately I had higher expectations for the actual audio hehe.


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    #7234698 - 07/28/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Some athiests would claim the faith to be "having pure and unweilding faith in yourself, and not needing to rely on a god to support you and your burdens."
But that's just a thought...

I'm agnostic though... I don't know what to believe, but I do wonder if maybe there is something out there...


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    #7234837 - 07/28/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Some athiests would claim the faith to be "having pure and unweilding faith in yourself, and not needing to rely on a god to support you and your burdens."
But that's just a thought...

I'm agnostic though... I don't know what to believe, but I do wonder if maybe there is something out there...




that is a very good philosophy and a good place to put faith. Alot of competitive atheletes do this as well. Good luck with the agnosticism, IMO you are just an atheist that is fearful of taking that leap. Wondering if something is out there does not constitute believing something is out there.


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    #7234896 - 07/28/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

All I know is- everything sounds better in Pidgin..

“God, you our Fadda.
You stay inside da sky.
We like all da peopo know fo shua how you stay,
An dat you stay good an spesho,
An we like dem give you plenny respeck.
We like you come King fo everybody now.
We like everybody make jalike you like,
Ova hea inside da world,
Jalike da angel guys up inside da sky make jalike you like.
Give us da food we need fo today an every day.
Hemmo our shame, an let us go
Fo all da kine bad stuff we do to you,
Jalike us guys let da odda guys go awready,
And we no stay huhu wit dem
Fo all da kine bad stuff dey do to us.
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    #7234902 - 07/28/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

first of all, you're right i failed, i failed at explaining it in a way for you to see it. but it's ok, it really doesn't have anything to do with what this thread is about, it was just a response to one part of one of your posts.

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it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?




there is no proof on this material plane to support the existence of god, just as there is no proof to deny the existence of god. an agnostic would be perfectly faithless. being an atheist, you say in complete certainty, that there is no god. how can you say that, without having faith that there isnt a god?




No, i can agree that there is a chance that a god exists. There is no denying that. But what defines an atheist is the fact that we realize that the probability of a god existing is almost null because it defy's evolution and the way we have come to understanding this universe.




it doesnt defy evolution...it only defies evolution if you take the bible literally. so if you can agree that there's a chance that god exists, then you don't have complete faith in atheism.

you'd be irrational to believe 100% that god cant exist, and you'd be irrational to believe 100% that god does exist. it's both faith, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.




so it seems we basically agree except for the fact that you have a need to believe something else is out there that exists as a god. This very well may be true but of what relavence does it have? Does he come and kick it with us, does he impact our daily lives, does he do anything at all that is of relavance to us? Sure, some superpower might exist in the world but who cares, he's busy doing his thing and we are busy doing ours, should our paths ever cross we will deal with it then but until that time comes, who gives a fuck? really.




i don't have a need to believe anything is out there and exists as god, it's just something that i know. i believe god is everything. god is in each of us. our egos are just what make us forget that. society has corrupted us, but without society, we wouldn't be what we are. so i guess you could say it's a necessary evil. every time you see another person, animal, plant, cell, whatever it is, you're just looking at a reflection of yourself.

this is something that i now know, and that i have come to realize. ask me how i know it, and i can't explain it, i just know it. it's just as irrational as your belief that there is no god.

every religion in the world is correct. the only problem with religion is that religion is a human invention. there's corruption in it. religion comes from spirituality. spirituality is true, it's not man made, and it can't be corrupt. i guess you could say religion is man's interpretation of spirituality.

does god do anything that is of relevance to us? yes, god does. god is consciousness. without god, nothing would exist. god is life.

so, does the fact that i believe this and you don't have any benefit to me? no, not really. i just realize that we are all one. it just gives me the foundation of how to live my life. i see the pointlessness of screwing each other over.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: nightkrawler]
    #7234944 - 07/28/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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nightkrawler said:
first of all, you're right i failed, i failed at explaining it in a way for you to see it. but it's ok, it really doesn't have anything to do with what this thread is about, it was just a response to one part of one of your posts.

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it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in god




what kind of bullshit is this?




there is no proof on this material plane to support the existence of god, just as there is no proof to deny the existence of god. an agnostic would be perfectly faithless. being an atheist, you say in complete certainty, that there is no god. how can you say that, without having faith that there isnt a god?




No, i can agree that there is a chance that a god exists. There is no denying that. But what defines an atheist is the fact that we realize that the probability of a god existing is almost null because it defy's evolution and the way we have come to understanding this universe.




it doesnt defy evolution...it only defies evolution if you take the bible literally. so if you can agree that there's a chance that god exists, then you don't have complete faith in atheism.

you'd be irrational to believe 100% that god cant exist, and you'd be irrational to believe 100% that god does exist. it's both faith, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.




so it seems we basically agree except for the fact that you have a need to believe something else is out there that exists as a god. This very well may be true but of what relavence does it have? Does he come and kick it with us, does he impact our daily lives, does he do anything at all that is of relavance to us? Sure, some superpower might exist in the world but who cares, he's busy doing his thing and we are busy doing ours, should our paths ever cross we will deal with it then but until that time comes, who gives a fuck? really.




i don't have a need to believe anything is out there and exists as god, it's just something that i know. i believe god is everything. god is in each of us. our egos are just what make us forget that. society has corrupted us, but without society, we wouldn't be what we are. so i guess you could say it's a necessary evil. every time you see another person, animal, plant, cell, whatever it is, you're just looking at a reflection of yourself.

this is something that i now know, and that i have come to realize. ask me how i know it, and i can't explain it, i just know it. it's just as irrational as your belief that there is no god.

every religion in the world is correct. the only problem with religion is that religion is a human invention. there's corruption in it. religion comes from spirituality. spirituality is true, it's not man made, and it can't be corrupt. i guess you could say religion is man's interpretation of spirituality.

does god do anything that is of relevance to us? yes, god does. god is consciousness. without god, nothing would exist. god is life.

so, does the fact that i believe this and you don't have any benefit to me? no, not really. i just realize that we are all one. it just gives me the foundation of how to live my life. i see the pointlessness of screwing each other over.





The fact that you know something without any evidence kind of discredits most of what you say. It means you arnt a rational, logic based person. Also, your interpretation is lacking any justification, your basing all your thoughts on assumptions, glhf.



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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: lolwhut]
    #7234973 - 07/28/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i'm rational and logic based in things that it can be applied to.

my beliefs have developed over time(and still are developing) from these things, in no particular order: living life, being a psychology major in college, taking world religion classes, psychedelics, meditation, reading about philosophies and religions, and going to a catholic high school. and probably much more. these are just the obvious parts of my life that have contributed to my beliefs. take it as you will.


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Re: I dont think i have ever posted in the pub before, so here it goes: My battle with a Preacher [Re: nightkrawler]
    #7235012 - 07/28/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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being a psychology major in college




So...you work at McDonald's?  :smirk:


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    #7235390 - 07/29/07 12:18 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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i'm rational and logic based in things that it can be applied to.

my beliefs have developed over time(and still are developing) from these things, in no particular order: living life, being a psychology major in college, taking world religion classes, psychedelics, meditation, reading about philosophies and religions, and going to a catholic high school. and probably much more. these are just the obvious parts of my life that have contributed to my beliefs. take it as you will.




none of that justifies the point that i raised


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    #7235443 - 07/29/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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being a psychology major in college




So...you work at McDonald's?  :smirk:




:lol:

work is for fools, i got plans :smirk:

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none of that justifies the point that i raised




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