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Re: Is companionship selfish? [Re: Icelander]
    #7230180 - 07/27/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You hooked Sinbad? :eek: Did he put up much of a fight?


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Re: Is companionship selfish? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7230402 - 07/27/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yes! He's a big one. I plan to mount him. :doggystyle:


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Re: Is companionship selfish? [Re: Icelander]
    #7230674 - 07/27/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
"Fulfillment,

Call it what you will. It's all the same to me. Happiness, fulfillment, joy etc. You make my point that we do these things to achieve something we want.;)




I can agree if the 'we' in your statement includes more than the individual 'I.' In truth, 'we' are not individual islands. The happiness is thus, for 'us.' :smile: I'm only trying to negate that sense of an indivisible, dense ego that wants happiness (or fulfillment) all to itself. Happiness, true happiness, wants to communicate and spread itself in a communion with 'others.' I for one seek to bring others up - to impart contact highs - to alleviate suffering. Animals, insects and plants included (I haven't expanded this to weeds, fungal weeds, bacteria, viruses)  :smile:.

Reading Ken Wilber today, and can't help but think that happiness/fulfillment is the experience of one's radiant True Nature, not just an emotional state.


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Re: Is companionship selfish? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7230844 - 07/27/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Reading Ken Wilber today, and can't help but think that happiness/fulfillment is the experience of one's radiant True Nature, not just an emotional state.

Somehow you seem to have missed that this is what I have been saying about it all along. The "skillful" act of knowing what true happiness or joy or whatever is, is to fulfill ones highest nature. This I believe. Mostly the term selfish is used to denote some unskillful attempt to achieve happiness from trying to gain control of life or others. Both are choices and we do both from the real desire to be happy. The fact that we are individual means that we can only experience our own perceptions of things. So we live from that until we find a way or not to merge with the totality of reality, which IMO, is not to be found in human experience, at large at least.

So love yourself first and if you do it well you will spread that love all around because that's really the only way to truly be fulfilled or happy in my experience. The only thing that keeps me/us from this truth is egoic fears.


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