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Derealization
    #7214499 - 07/23/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

On wikipedia, the term "derealization" is defined as a feeling that 'nothing is real' or there is little or no sense of reality. I have experienced this many times on LSD (usually just before ego death) but I never knew what to call it until I read this paragraph about DEREALIZATION:

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Yet another analogy is comparing real life to a game, a game everyone plays, all the time. Someone suffering from depersonalization constantly feels as if they cannot get into the game; any stimulus feels contrived or artificial to them. The rules of this game seem to have been forcibly applied upon them (anything from movement, to gravity or hunger) instead of being inherently applicable to them. If understanding dawns upon them of what they should be experiencing, it is often through reason and observation, or the feeling of knowing what and why it is happening. This sort of insight seems to rob everything of its spontaneity, its importance already having been diminished because of their sense of detachment. They are perpetual, and almost all the time, involuntary, cynics of our reality.




Now when i experience this, it usually meets the criteria above and I feel as if I have died and been transported another universe and I have to compete with other entities to make it to the next dimension. During this experience I usually also experience the beginning or ending of existence and before long I have a period of ego death in which existence ends, all that is becomes one white light (god), and I "black out" for what seems like eternity (usually 10 mintues to 10 hours depending on dose). Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else has experienced derealization as described in the last paragraph when you feel like your in some sick, twisted game because I think it's the craziest thing ever lol.


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Re: Derealization [Re: LuSyD]
    #7214515 - 07/23/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

it happens to me when not on drugs.. a good description is its like watching a movie of your own life, its been happening since i was younger though so i just learned to live with it.. even though what i have is called depersonalization the two are very similar you should look it up


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Re: Derealization [Re: rlw5]
    #7214608 - 07/23/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

:gethigh:I like my signature:gethigh:


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Re: Derealization [Re: ZShroom]
    #7214622 - 07/23/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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:gethigh:I like my signature:gethigh:




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Re: Derealization [Re: LuSyD]
    #7214958 - 07/23/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Hey LuSyD...how did u get ur pic to be animated like that?-noobie:bongload:


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Re: Derealization [Re: LuSyD]
    #7215439 - 07/23/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

dude i have not experienced this with LSD, but that is a really cool description...

i have yet to experience ego death on LSD....and that makes me sad...


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Re: Derealization [Re: LuSyD]
    #7215454 - 07/23/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

That quote was amazing! That is how I feel every moment of my life.


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Re: Derealization [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7215777 - 07/23/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

i have slight depersonalization, and mine gets worse when i start smoking to much pot


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Re: Derealization [Re: HipHopJunkie]
    #7220363 - 07/24/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I used to have that when I first started smoking pot at a young age. I would get high and be like is this a dream or is it real. There wasnt any real way to tell and this made me do the same when I was sober. I would just be walking and if I asked myself that question it felt like I was high again. I dont know what changed this but I guess I learned to accept things in the present dream or not. Psychedelics have definately potentiated my ability to accept the state of things in the present.


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Re: Derealization [Re: utk]
    #7220405 - 07/24/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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I used to have that when I first started smoking pot at a young age. I would get high and be like is this a dream or is it real. There wasnt any real way to tell and this made me do the same when I was sober. I would just be walking and if I asked myself that question it felt like I was high again. I dont know what changed this but I guess I learned to accept things in the present dream or not. Psychedelics have definately potentiated my ability to accept the state of things in the present.



same here. Herb was my first experience of this. I remember being really really high and staring at my room. everything in a way, looked "cartoonish".


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Re: Derealization [Re: Limerick]
    #7220430 - 07/24/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

what are your doses when reaching ego death and such? out of curiosity

the most ive ever dosed on lsd thus far is 400 micrograms


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Re: Derealization [Re: mongoose539]
    #7220569 - 07/24/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It's hard to judge microgram doses but if I had to guess I'd say the blotters I get are usually 100 mcgs per hit. I'm about 98.999% sure what i get is LSD because the blotters are so very small, and the characterisitcs and duration of the effects.

If I take 2 hits at once, I"ll be at level 5 in 2-3 hours and probably black out from 4-12 hours after dosing. But I rarely do that because I can never remember anything beyond 3 hours.

I can also achieve ego death from taking one hit and smoking pot at the peak (4-7 hours) but the period of ego death I get from that is only like 25 minutes to 2 hours depending on how much I smoked.

I usually take 1 hit, smoke pot 5 hours after the first dose, wait til 12 hours after the first dose and take another. Then 6-8 hours after the second hit I get level 5 and usually black out for about an hour, and then from hours 8-14 I'm tripping at about level 4.

There are many ways to dose to change the level of your trip and duration. It varies from perosn to person, but I like my trips long, mystical, and intense :crazy2:.

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Level 1
This level produces a mild "high" effect, with some visual enhancement (e.g. brighter colors) and music sounds "wider," or more piercing to the ears. This level can be achieved from a normal dose of cannabis or a very low dose of a classic psychedelic such as psilocybin. Occasionally common prescription drugs like SSRIs and the like can produce mild 'trippy' effects, as well, though they are not normally classified as psychedelic experiences because they are so mild.

Level 2
Bright colors; visuals (e.g. things may appear to move or breathe); some two-dimensional patterns become apparent upon shutting eyes. Apparent increase in visual field (ie. seeing an almost 360 view around your head). Confused, cyclic or reminiscent thoughts. Change in short term memory leads to continually distracting thought patterns. The need to see 'normal' reality becomes less, the urge to venture 'beyond the void' becomes more. Level 3 tripping can intersperse with level 2 as long as eyes are shut. This state can be achieved from a high dose of THC or a low dose of psilocybin or LSD.

Level 3
Very obvious visuals, everything looking curved and/or warped, patterns, kaleidoscopes or fractal images seen on walls, landscapes, faces, etc. Closed eye hallucinations become three dimensional. There is some confusing of the senses (synesthesia). Time distortions and "moments of eternity". Movement at times becomes extremely difficult (too much effort required). A normal dose of either psilocybin or LSD can produce this effect.

Level 4
Strong visual effects, e.g. objects morphing into other objects. Dissolving or multiple splitting of the ego (e.g. things start talking, or feeling of contradictory things simultaneously). The loss of sense of self can bring a shift in the sense of reality, often accompanied by a sense of ineffable lucidity. Time becomes very distorted and participants may perceive an activity lasting only minutes to have encompassed hours of their own reality. Out-of-body experiences and ESP-type experiences. A high dose of psilocybin can produce this effect, as can a normal to high dose of LSD.

Level 5
Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Feelings of merging with space, other objects or the universe. Feelings of reaching to the beginning or the end of space and time. The loss of reality becomes so extreme that it defies explanation. Dream or movie like states, people have been reported seeing themselves in entirely different settings than their original setting. Earlier levels are relatively easy to describe in terms of measurable changes in perception and thought patterns. The only thing still reported to be working at a recognizable level, is the mind's voice of thought. Much is unknown about what a person actually experiences during this period, because most people actually come back explaining the experience as "unexplainable" or "uncommunicable". This effect can be produced in high doses of LSD and extremely high doses of psilocybin or with extremely high doses of the strongest extracts of salvia divinorum. DMT is known to send people to level 5 with a common smoked dose, making DMT one of the most powerful psychedelics known to man.




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Feelings of merging with space, other objects or the universe. Feelings of reaching to the beginning or the end of space and time.


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Re: Derealization [Re: LuSyD]
    #7220701 - 07/25/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

jebus, you must have quite the sensitivity... i take 2 100 mike hits and im at level 3ish with some 4 type qualities


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Re: Derealization [Re: mongoose539]
    #7229150 - 07/27/07 02:04 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmm... reading all the posts in here, I read everyone's versions of a trip that I feel most people have at that high-level point. Where you can see and feel forever, and you are becoming detached from your body and are becoming one with everything around you.

My first acid trip (2 hits w/purple haze at ~4 hours) landed my friend and I on the same detached plane of existence. There we were, experiencing the same unplugged perception of the reality unfolding in my living room. ...Stuck on a ride, for eternity it seemed.


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Re: Derealization [Re: shadowed]
    #7229386 - 07/27/07 03:31 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

yeah jeez, sounds more like 1000mics per hit...

just wanted to add that derealization and depersonalization suck huge dick.

i started getting it out of nowhere from too much drugs and it sent me into panic attacks.

my instinct is always to act as crazy as possible (take off all my clothes and shout things) so i can feel something/feel my effect on reality and know that its really there.

of course i just sit quietly.

you defintely want to move away from things like that happening.


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Re: Derealization [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7229455 - 07/27/07 04:31 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think there is a difference between derealisation/depersonalisation , and transcending the ego, like with LSD or shrooms or through meditation..


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