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    #7222428 - 07/25/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

i checked my outdoor bed today...and noticed there was grass growing..like 5 inches tall...i guess Straw from Micheals does have seeds in it..so0o i pulled all of it out...well my question is.. after all the substrate is colonized (straw/composted manure) do i still have to put a casing layer over it?
its only been a week and a half and theres already alot of colonization..thanks for any help

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7223428 - 07/25/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

can anyone help me out?

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7223515 - 07/25/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

and outdoor bed does benefit from having something laying over the top of it

some use tarps, some use grass clippings and the such, others use casing mix...

any should work, and your mycelium will enjoy the extra humidity from it
you can also go ahead and ptu the casing layer on it if you want
outdoor beds are kinda 'set it and forget it' kinda deals, with maybe an occasional watering during hotter months, nature takes care of the specifics for you.


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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7223516 - 07/25/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

maybe a layer of peat moss?

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7223523 - 07/25/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

sounds perfect
doesnt have to be anything fancy, just somethign to cover the mycelium from the elements
dont even bother pasteurizing or anything either, naturally =)


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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: dysphoria]
    #7223564 - 07/25/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for your help =)

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7230045 - 07/27/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

one more question, could i cover it with MoisturePlus soil or will the mycelium colonize it?

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7230404 - 07/27/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

no, you should have left the grass, thats the mushrooms natural habitat, grass acts like a mini humidty dome and creates the perfect micro climate

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: coopypants]
    #7251663 - 08/02/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

could i make a barrier around my outdoor bed using granular pesticide?..my concern is that when it rains the chemicals will be washes away into the bed..i would use diatomaceous earth,but i dont think the home depot by my house sells it...help please

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7251673 - 08/02/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

eh you really only need copper wire, or a shitload of pennies, as slugs are what's going to crawl in. Anything else will fly, and the granular pesticide isn't going to help that. The copper tho, slugs hate it. Do pennies even have copper coatings any more? you're best to get some old copper pipe, or old electrical wire from a condemned house.

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7251743 - 08/02/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

so they hate the copper itself? or does it have to be electrified?

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7251758 - 08/02/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

nah they hate the copper itself.

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7252167 - 08/02/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I second the comment made above that you should have left the grass growing. Don't pull it any more. It helps. Plants and fungi rarely compete with each other, but often each benefits from the other.

I was having trouble with slugs once and they'd crawl right over a wire, but I got some 1/2" copper tubing from the hardware store and ringed the garden with that, and it kept them out.
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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7252253 - 08/02/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

What about making a barrier of those water softener salt pellets? We all know what salt does to slugs, and I think I remember reading that Cubes are somewhat tollerant to salt (dunno for sure bout that tho)

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: NStoney]
    #7252515 - 08/02/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Salt is toxic to the soil and the beneficial organisms that live in it. It's also bad for mushrooms, and it's bad for plants. Besides, slugs don't eat much. Just grow extra. You can also get up at dawn and go out and pick the individual slugs out of your garden area. It shouldn't take long to make a big dent in their numbers.
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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7252772 - 08/02/07 07:30 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If you are trying to use pennies, get ones dated 1982 or earlier.


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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7252800 - 08/02/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:You can also get up at dawn and go out and pick the individual slugs out of your garden area. It shouldn't take long to make a big dent in their numbers.
RR




+1

Seriously, don't overlook the obvious, easy methods. Every spring I have to spend a night or two plucking them off the sides of my house and throwing them as far away as possible. By the third night, they're gone for the rest of the season, for the most part.


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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: mycocurious]
    #7252851 - 08/02/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Seriously, don't overlook the obvious, easy methods. Every spring I have to spend a night or two plucking them off the sides of my house and throwing them as far away as possible. By the third night, they're gone for the rest of the season, for the most part.




They must have learned from the experience, and told their slug buddies to keep away from the giant's house. Trainable slugs...who would have guessed?


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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: Bamaman]
    #7252876 - 08/02/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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They must have learned from the experience, and told their slug buddies to keep away from the giant's house. Trainable slugs...who would have guessed?




Either that or their fragile little bodies couldn't take the force of being thrown several yards as hard as I could, before hitting some kind of life-altering obstruction in their flight paths. (ergo, the trees, heh)


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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7254543 - 08/03/07 07:18 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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If you are trying to use pennies, get ones dated 1982 or earlier.




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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7254550 - 08/03/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

1982– present 97.5% zinc core, 2.5% copper plating

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7254555 - 08/03/07 07:36 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

*Shrug* I doubt the dramatic switch between 5% and 2.5% copper platings would make any difference. Full copper pennies haven't been made since pre-civil war days.

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7254566 - 08/03/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

1962–1982 95% copper, 5% zinc (about 3.04 grams)

duh.

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7254782 - 08/03/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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*Shrug* I doubt the dramatic switch between 5% and 2.5% copper platings would make any difference. Full copper pennies haven't been made since pre-civil war days.




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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7254788 - 08/03/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

lol right?

Well I was only barely correct :smile: Orb rightly pointed out that my (lamentably, non-stoned) eyes missed the juxtaposition, and indeed pennies were pretty much all copper prior to '82.

However they're all alloys, to the best of my knowledge, until you get into the 1850s and before.

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7254793 - 08/03/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

There is no proving you wrong as:

"1793–1837 copper"

BTW, all this information can be found on wikipedia, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_%28United_States_coin%29

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7254803 - 08/03/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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lol right?

Well I was only barely correct :smile: Orb rightly pointed out that my (lamentably, non-stoned) eyes missed the juxtaposition, and indeed pennies were pretty much all copper prior to '82.

However they're all alloys, to the best of my knowledge, until you get into the 1850s and before.

"Prove me wrong kids, prove me wrong"





BTW, as seen in the diagram, 1943 pennies contained NO copper at all, so don't use those either.  Other than that, pre '82 should work fine, but it'd probably be alot easier to just go buy some copper tubing from your local hardware store than it would be to gather/sort a shitload of pennies.  For those that don't know, copper will be found in tubing form under "plumbing supply", and in wire form under "electrical supply".

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7254806 - 08/03/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'd be remiss not to note that during all this inaccuracy was totally the result of my being smarmy by hitting Wikipedia in a cigarette-deprived morning irritation streak. I am merely illiterate.

The "prove me wrong" was a random nod to Skinner, sorry. "We all know these children HAVE no future!"

Edit: I don't need to beat a dead horse by off-topic posting. Orb, that was definitely *not* off the top of my head :smile: I looked it up, and did so incorrectly, heh. Figured that deserved a mention

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7254811 - 08/03/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Geez, you HAVE been testy today!

props though on knowing pre-civil war off the top of your head, i had to look that shit up.

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7256759 - 08/03/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

thanks guys.. but the petland by my house has Diatom FIlter powder...im thinkin about just getting that...im thinkin its the same same as diatomaceous earth...unless it was ground up into powder..but i think it will still have its abrasive properties

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7257303 - 08/03/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

anyone kno if i can use it?

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7258250 - 08/04/07 04:32 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know why you'd use that. I'm not misinterpreting your question or this thread, right? I don't see any mention of slugs except by someone other than you, and you certainly needn't worry if you don't have an active problem. If this is still about the grass, as previously stated, it's beneficial and will help give your mushrooms a humid environment. Growth in your bed may seem like you're harboring competing species, but they'll grow well, even better, like that.

If your outdoor bed is properly spawned and colonized, there's no need for any kind of pesticide, chemical or not. Don't worry about it. If you insist, I'm pretty confident that the diatom filter will be inert...sprinkle away.

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: baiseoner]
    #7258487 - 08/04/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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i checked my outdoor bed today...and noticed there was grass growing..like 5 inches tall...i guess Straw from Micheals does have seeds in it..so0o i pulled all of it out...



Grass, haha. I've had that on some not very serious outdoor stuff (contamn'd WBS jars) and I let it grow, thinking: well I won't get any mushrooms but I've grown some grass! Actually it's rice but looks like grass. I'm using rice straw, which looks like regular straw, and it obviously still has seeds in.

On the subject of slugs, in the same area I threw out a contamn'd cake. It was fun to watch it go from bright white, to green, to dark green, and now a slugs's eating it! During this time some non-active random mushrooms have grown right next to it.

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Re: Checked outdoor bed [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7261465 - 08/05/07 06:41 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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