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QualityHarvest
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Feeding Horses Spores
#7204560 - 07/20/07 10:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Would it work if I took spores and put it on straw and feed them to horses.
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Grogan
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Waste of spores I would say.. but you never know..
I would feed cows if anything.
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: Grogan]
#7204579 - 07/20/07 10:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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there stomach acid would kill the spores imo.
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QualityHarvest
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: Grogan]
#7204585 - 07/20/07 10:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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the thing is, is that there just isnt anything around here and I wanna spread the spore so that it would be like back in the day before they killed them all off.
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QualityHarvest
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they digest ther food to quicly to kill the spores, why do you think they grow on manure
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deformedreality
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well sounds like you are going to do this no matter what any of us said, so why did you ask?
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QualityHarvest
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i just wanted to see if anybody has tried it. I know somebody has had to of tried it.
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xaxphaanes
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they digest ther food to quicly to kill the spores, why do you think they grow on manure
lol did you seriously just say that.............. seriously?
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Edited by xaxphaanes (07/20/07 10:48 PM)
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QualityHarvest
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7204669 - 07/20/07 10:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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well then tell me what really goes on
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deformedreality
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ok you go feed your spores to cows, ill go feed my jars with my spores and lets compare the yeilds afterwards.. hell lets make this a competition/bet i bet 1000 dollars that ill have a bigger yield.
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QualityHarvest said: they digest ther food to quicly to kill the spores, why do you think they grow on manure
STFU. You Just gonna make up facts till ya get the answer ya want? This gets asked like once a week. Use the search. You will find some many noobs with their new idea to feed spores to horses or cows, dogs,themselves.... It wont work.
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xaxphaanes
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spores are flying through the air all the time whether it be mold spores cube spores or what not.hydrochloric acid breaks down allot of a horses food if it breaks down food into fats/amino acids i don't see how spores can survive...maybe bacteria since it is a little more resilient but that might kill the horse lol.so spores from the air get stuck to a wet environment that has nutes lets say a manure pile or tree depending on species we are talking about they germinate and begin to grow.
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7204760 - 07/20/07 11:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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xaxphaanes
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all of that is on cows not horses.hmmm now you got me researching if you can post a link for horses and not just someones opinion but a actual scientific document as proof that would be sweet.I dont believe what all people say is fact is the reason why.
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Edited by xaxphaanes (07/20/07 11:18 PM)
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deformedreality
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the only animal that you can feed spores to and have them grow out of their shit is elephants
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QualityHarvest
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7204812 - 07/20/07 11:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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first of all im not a dealer nor do I want buttloads of shrooms.
But I do know they used to be eveywhere not more than 10 years ago before they started treating the feed. I rarely come across psilocybin mushys lately, I know of lots of pastures that have mushrooms everywhere but not the right ones, and there r pastures that you cant find any type of mushroom thru the whole pasture, and there right next to the ones that do.
I live in horse and cow country, yet I still cant seem to find a good number of shrooms.
I am introducing azurens shortly, plenty of wood around here.
So I could just go around and put spores on pattys?
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xaxphaanes
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I dunno anno stated that spores can live through a cows digestive system and he is a by the book man he has allot of links suggesting this too.But can a horse i don't seriously see how with all the acid and bile that a horse has.
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7204830 - 07/20/07 11:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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A cow I could see I heard that too and they have a terible digestive system. But a horse no way.
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deformedreality
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so you knock up cows with what? 1 cc?
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QualityHarvest
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#7204871 - 07/20/07 11:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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then why do my shrooms grow better on pure horse manure over pure cow manure?
Cow manure is to runny and not fluffy enough and holds to much water.
I think colinization time is quicker with horse manure because it seems to be less digested and has more air pockets for the mycelium to grow.
just my opinion though
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xaxphaanes
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lol.....i heard it is rare for cows to shit spores too but it "can" happen.
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just inject corn kernals with spores cause digestive dont tend to digest corn well.. then the cow will poop it out and ta-da.. or you could just inject the cows shit.. or grow them in your closet on brf.
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xaxphaanes
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QualityHarvest said: then why do my shrooms grow better on pure horse manure over pure cow manure?
Cow manure is to runny and not fluffy enough and holds to much water.
I think colinization time is quicker with horse manure because it seems to be less digested and has more air pockets for the mycelium to grow.
just my opinion though
cows have 4 stomachs so by the time it gets to the end it's going to be soupy(couldnt think of a better word lol)horses have 1 stomach so it isnt soupy.But a horse has some pretty powerful acids in it's stomach almost the same that we do (notice the word almost).
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7204949 - 07/20/07 11:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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1 more thing I just wanted to trow out is
I make compost out of horse manure/straw, at first during the composting process when tempureatures are 160 F mushrooms just explode out of my compost even after I mix all my ingrediants, high power fertalizers and other goodies, just a few days after mixing.
you wouldnt stick a plant in a hot mix like that.
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: Grogan]
#7205287 - 07/21/07 02:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Grogan said: Waste of spores I would say.. but you never know..
I would feed cows if anything.
There's no such thing as a waste if you make your own prints. Spores are only precious to those who haven't figured printing out!
Anyway, I'll tell you now that cubes and other corpophiles tend to wind up in cow shit not by spreading their spores over the pile externally, but by being eaten on grass, then shat out in the pile. Maybe not all the spores survive the wonderful roller-coaster ride of the cow's shit-tubes, but enough seem to get by to keep the species going.
Sure, feed your horse spores. Don't expect it to work, but cross your fingers! It doesn't have a 100% success rate in nature, either, but then nature is rather big, and horses and cows eat and shit all the time, so nature has a lot of room for error.
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i personally don't think it would work, but it got me thinking: is there a way we COULD make it work?
my proposition:
find a material that is decomposable, but won't break down all the way when eaten by the horse/cow. make a pill casing out of the material and put some spores in it. after a bit, it will decompose while the poo gets leeched.
I'm kinda stoned, so if it seems like i put too much thought into it, let me know, and i'll forget about it =)
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: zer0mancer]
#7205383 - 07/21/07 03:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Too much thought. The spore basically is the material you're talking about. Spores are meant to survive rather unusual conditions... and often, they do.
There are 100,000,000,000,000,00etcetc spores released by every mushroom for a good reason. 99,999,999,999,998etcetc of them might die only to have two survive and go on to produce millions more later. If you are an individual spore--like an individual sperm--you are rather unlikely to make anything of yourself, ever. But if you are a billion spores, well, you've got a pretty decent shot at turning into a few happy hyphae.
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QualityHarvest said: 1 more thing I just wanted to trow out is
I make compost out of horse manure/straw, at first during the composting process when tempureatures are 160 F mushrooms just explode out of my compost even after I mix all my ingrediants, high power fertalizers and other goodies, just a few days after mixing.
you wouldnt stick a plant in a hot mix like that.
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I've been composting for a little while now and I've never seen "mushrooms explode out of my compost" although you are right, compost does reach 160(F) internally - which is self-pasteurizing and kills all non-thermophilic microbes, of which p.cube spores are not.
There really has been a lot of "why can't I just stick a needle in the ground" type threads lately, haven't there?
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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: mycocurious]
#7205645 - 07/21/07 07:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought it was just me.
Still, none of them will ever beat the guy who wanted to stick a log in some sand, cover it with cow poop, and hose it down every day, thinking somehow psychedelic mushrooms would be the result.
Seeding farm animals isn't as bad as that, but it's not exactly likely to work with any practical rate of success.
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mycocurious
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for what it's worth, I have (can't say i researched this one) heard that cows - with their six stomaches - have such a low acid content that if they to eat a lot of mush/spore that there could be something that survived on the other end being colonized.
However, considering almost all feed grains and straw have a fungicide as a preservative.
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: mycocurious]
#7205732 - 07/21/07 08:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mushroom grows in field. -----> Mushroom spooges on field's grass. -----> Cows eat freakin' grass. That's what they do. ------> Cow shit con spores. Hurray.
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QualityHarvest
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well i guess ive got something to try,
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u sir are retarded.
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Re: Feeding Horses Spores [Re: elpinoman]
#7206971 - 07/21/07 03:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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g thanks
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