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subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV
#7197482 - 07/19/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ever notice that we're able to 'pick up on' certain innate things about one another subconsciously? (like how we get a 'bad feeling' about someone when we first meet em...before we have any sort of legitimate reason to avoid em, an such)
Sometimes it seems like we're hard-wired to do SO much very more then what we (as a whole) ever seem to 'flex our muscles' to accomplish.
Ever notice how a small child will intuitively avoid touching a flame? (nevermind the fact that they're undoubtedly mesmerized by it)
Somehow we just KNOW certain things about certain people (or things, or situations, or whatever) and we have this innate acknowledgement about whether or not something outta be embraced or repulsed - whether or not we should try and avoid something (because it *could* be 'dangerous') or if we should try our best to truly connect with it...whatever 'it' may be.
How do we 'know' these things though?
How can we be so sure that a growling dog is likely gonna bite? Or how can we be certain that a sad face needs a nice hug?
Cause children all know this kind of crap, and no one's ever taught them this sort of thing...cause they show signs of having this type of knowledge only months out of the womb (before they ever really have the chance to 'make mistakes' on these types of issues)
and if you ask me:
If an infant 'knows' how to show love and compassion for another human being before ever needing to be 'taught' such a thing - then things like this MUST be hard-wired into our generic programming.
So then - why is that the case? and who put it there in the first place?
What are we working towards becoming???
and why do I insist on asking questions there are no answers to
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: Muppet]
#7197609 - 07/19/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ever notice that we're able to 'pick up on' certain innate things about one another subconsciously? (like how we get a 'bad feeling' about someone when we first meet em...before we have any sort of legitimate reason to avoid em, an such)
You mean the way all those women that Ted Bundy raped & killed picked up on his vibe?
If you could 'read' people the way you believe, you could be eligible for the Randi Millions. Of course, you will not make an attempt because it is much more fun to delude one's self.
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7197728 - 07/19/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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just because people don't go-through-with what they 'feel' doesn't mean they don't have that feeling in the first place
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: Muppet]
#7197780 - 07/19/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does the phrase 'after-the-fact' mean anything to you?
Watched the World Series of Poker (hold-em) where a player goes all-in with 99. Another player calls with KK and the first player starts crying out loud, "I had a strong feeling that I shouldn't have called. Should have listened to my gut. Dammit!"
The player caught a third 9 on the river to win the pot. Naturally you can guess what he said after that.
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7197890 - 07/19/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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it sounds to me that all you're doing is agreeing with me
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people that play poker try an 'pull this same shit' too:
- they get the feeling that ther're going against the odds - they decide to go through with it anyways - and then they bitch about the odds being stacked against em
is this not exactly what I just said?
did I not say:
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Somehow we just KNOW certain things about certain people (or things, or situations, or whatever) and we have this innate acknowledgement about whether or not something outta be embraced or repulsed - whether or not we should try and avoid something (because it *could* be 'dangerous') or if we should try our best to truly connect with it...whatever 'it' may be.
or is that not an 'occording to hoyal' translation
the point being:
people often times get these sort of 'gut feelings' that they chose to ignore...which only come back an bite em in the ass when hardcore evidence does finally present itself
there is no faith in this world these days
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: Muppet]
#7198108 - 07/19/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not cool to use quotes & then incorrectly paraphrase someone's post. 
What he said was that the player claimed his intuition had indicated that he shouldn't do what he had done, and then the player WON the tournament. You completely misunderstood.
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: Veritas]
#7200852 - 07/20/07 01:17 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Veritas said: It's not cool to use quotes & then incorrectly paraphrase someone's post.
my bad
I couldn't exactly straight up quote it word for word and just simply bold the part I wanted to emphasize though (like I did with mine) cause quite frankly - I don't know shit about shit when it comes to that game, so I wouldn't even know where to begin as far as proper emphasis goes
but from what I *could* understand though (or...what I *thought* I understood - I should say) it seemed to me like that's what he was saying
my appologies if I misunderstood him
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: Muppet]
#7201005 - 07/20/07 02:04 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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this became argument before it needed to.
associative memory brings to the surface incidents from your history as the mind receives images about the world.
many associations begin at once and some resolve to clues from memories.
"what have you got on a snarling dog?"...
you probably have never encountered a serial murdering rapist.
memory is the normal thing that happens and lack of data is normal too.
while entheogenized, ordinary things compound to extraordinary proportions. this is probably the direction you are coming from.
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: redgreenvines]
#7201320 - 07/20/07 06:00 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah orgone you're right, every time i meet a new person i'm at terrible loss because i can't guess anything about them, and have to extrapolate everything from their present actions.
its terrible being completely unable to pick up on a person's character until i see a long series of their actions.
thats why i keep getting in cars with strangers in the middle of the night.
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7201481 - 07/20/07 07:47 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Years ago, Randi tested some women from a Russian "Psychic Institute" who, being isolated by the then Soviet government, had never heard of Bundy. They claimed that they could tell the character of a person from their photograph with near-perfect accuracy.
Randi presented them with 10 photographs of various people, including one of Ted Bundy. The women immediately sprung into their well-tried routine of asking Randi questions instead of providing information. Questions like "this one, she's a grandmother, right? one possibly two grandkids... maybe three, maybe four? She has children of her own, no? She is married?" and so on. It's a variation of cold-reading and guessing, then watching the presenter's body language and facial expressions carefully to guide further guessing.
Randi, a seasoned stage magician, sat quietly and perfectly still with no expression on his face to the point that the women became agitated at the lack of feedback which they were used to getting from the "scientists" who had tested them previously.
Long story short, they called Ted Bundy a "carpenter or some kind of laborer with a close family". The single most prominent aspect of his personality was completely missed.
It's important to understand that these women were genuinely perplexed at their complete failure. They'd been duping themselves for so long that they didn't even realize all they did was ask questions and go where the answers lead them. That funny-looking guy on TV who thinks he talks to dead people does the same thing.
So much for subliminal queuing when your subject is savvy enough not to give you obvious body-language feedback.
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: Diploid]
#7201907 - 07/20/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Diploid you brought up something that i have found a possible hole in. You assume that because they got this part of his character off and all these years they have been getting it right, that they have been duping themselves, and actually do not have this ability. Yet we forget that these beings are imperfect and so are their abilities. Just because they failed in this scenerio does not mean that their capacity to do this, should be put out of the question. Reading your emotions is never perfect because it is an ability with limits. Can you honestly tell me you have not read your emotions correctly on some occasion? I have, but i continue to use them as it is fun and it seems like an important tool for me. Just cuz i have not read the tool of our emotions incorrectly does not mean i will discard the use of them. I have personally come to the conclusion that to some extent i can heal pain from my experience pain in the head, with energetic emotion and thought. I have done this 3 times in a row with on my friend mina and once on my mother. Working exactly the same way, killing the pain instantanously. Yet i do know that if i am fearing failure, i will not be able to replicate such an event and it would take alot of concentration ontop of what is already needed to replicate the same result in a lab test. Peace amigos!
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7201969 - 07/20/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yet we forget that these beings are imperfect and so are their abilities. Just because they failed in this scenerio does not mean that their capacity to do this, should be put out of the question.
Before the test, these women and the pseudoscientists who were testing them claimed a near 100% success rate. All it took to mess them up was a poker-faced Randi who refused to answer their questions or give body-language feedback.
They didn't fail just once. They failed over and over again. Eventually they gave up and fell back on Mystic's Standard Excuse #7 by blaming Randi for not being a good 'transmitter'.
Alright, so Randi then had the Institute's psudoscientists do the test with the women. Naturally, they were back in form and guessing accurately. Then Randi put the pseudoscientist behind a screen with only his hands showing the photographs.
Result: immediate 100% failure rate. Demonstrating truly amazing closed-mindedness, they again blamed Randi's 'bad vibes' because he was a non-believer.
After Randi left, the Institute went right back to publishing "incredible" results but NOT using the screen in any future experiments.
Rationalize that to fit your pre-conclusions if you like. The truth is still the truth. 
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Re: subliminal queuing from a spiritual POV [Re: Diploid]
#7202189 - 07/20/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Conclusion: Never underestimate the power of S-Rays.
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