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Are these pins?
    #6657328 - 03/11/07 12:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So we just took a look at our cakes for shits and giggles before waiting for tomorrow, and surprisingly there's something on them. It's only been 3 days since this cake's birthday. I'm wondering if they're pins, or the beginnings of pins, or what they are.




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Re: Are these pins? [Re: Cabinet_Sanchez]
    #6657364 - 03/11/07 12:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No, this does not look like pins to me. It looks very strange. I've never seen such things before. Someone else will tell you what it is for sure.

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Re: Are these pins? [Re: Cabinet_Sanchez]
    #6657368 - 03/11/07 12:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

could just be rizomorphic mycelium.

i see some hyphal knots though so i think you should be getting your first pins pretty soon. just keep up the FAE and the humidity high.


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Re: Are these pins? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6657379 - 03/11/07 12:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've seen pictures of that before, and I think it's just some crazy rhizo growth as AA suggested.

I'm sure you'll be fruiting any day now.

edit: Deez r pins.

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Re: Are these pins? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6657601 - 03/11/07 04:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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could just be rizomorphic mycelium.

i see some hyphal knots though so i think you should be getting your first pins pretty soon. just keep up the FAE and the humidity high.


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Re: Are these pins? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6657671 - 03/11/07 05:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Aerial rhizomorphs. They don't turn into pins, but at least they show you have the type of mycelium that forms them.
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Re: Are these pins? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6659043 - 03/11/07 05:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So it's been a bit over 12 hours since I took that picture, and those things are still growing (some of them might be over 1/2 inch now?) but there are no pins. Is there something wrong?

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Re: Are these pins? [Re: Cabinet_Sanchez]
    #7143544 - 07/07/07 08:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry to resurrect a thread from March, but it's the most recent one I could find on this topic:

In short, I'm having the same problem. Fruited seven multispore PF cakes into my greenhouse about five days ago, and I'm experiencing extremely rhizomorphic aerial mycelium all over, on every cake, popping through the verm they were rolled in. Most strings are between a quarter and half an inch long, and it looks absolutely crazy. I've never seen this in a grow before, save on the forum.

Due to some changes in my setup, there were a few standing droplets on the cakes, so I know it's not a low-humidity issue--they were from condensation on the rungs of the rack above the cakes (they were moved up to avoid this problem). The cool mist has been working great, and while my hygrometer is out of commission, my hands and my past experience with the humidifier tell me the RH is over 90% at this point. It is, however, a bit hotter than the last time I did this. Since I only started the hobby late last year, I haven't had experience fruiting in the summer, and since my AC isn't on most of the day I can say the conditions in the GH closet are probably upwards of 80F most of the day (85F is a guess, considering some heat emitted by the cool mist motor). From what I can tell, that's not supposed to be a problem, but every variable is important, I guess.

In order to change up the variables a bit to see if I can get a change, I've set my cool mist (presently running from expanded reservoir on bottom shelf) so it's sucking air from the outside but humidifying only the inside, by folding a flap of the GH to expose the intake vent. I think this should keep the air inside both a little fresher and a little further under 100%, in case too much humidity might be a factor in the rhizo growth, though I don't see why that would be.

No pins yet, despite what I thought were ideal conditions, hence the concern. So far this line of B+ has been a very quick pinner--three days or so, on average. I know it's not a problem with RH, and I don't think it can be strictly genetics, as RR suggested, because it is, after all, a multispore, and all seven cakes are showing the same symptoms. That says to me that it's environmental.

Now, that leaves me with two thoughts:

1) Maybe the aerial rhizomorphs are unrelated to my lack of pins, and I'm being impatient. Five days after birth is quite a bit compared to previous grows with this line, though.

2) Maybe they are a symptom of the problem. Maybe they're a symptom of low FAE (which I wouldn't have guessed to be a problem, but which will also be rectified by the change in humidifier configuration).

To me, aerial growth indicates the cake is still in its vegetative phase, trying to expand to new substrate. That would mean it's not trying to fruit, which would explain my lack of pins. Is this a reasonable conclusion?

The cakes are receiving 24-hour fluorescent light at present, and the cool mist should be providing enought FAE to trigger pinning.

Five more cakes were birthed today, given extra time in the jars. This was more of an experimental step, to determine whether extending my wait after 100% colonization a bit further would be beneficial to pinning. These cakes were not dunked or rolled after birth, as part of an attempt to determine whether that might have some effect on aerial growth. Again, randomly changing variables to see if I can get some kind of change in cake behavior.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts or other input.


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Re: Are these pins? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7143565 - 07/07/07 08:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Aerial rhizomorphs. They don't turn into pins, but at least they show you have the type of mycelium that forms them.
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Don't these usually mean that there needs to be more humidity?


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Re: Are these pins? [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #7143570 - 07/07/07 08:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That's what was said above, but as I said, I don't think that's an issue here due to already-high humidity.

Cakes seemed to perform very well in the GH under the same setup only two weeks ago. A cool mist is running at the base of FC 24/7.

Edit: Hold on. I did change out my perlite since the last grow. That could be the issue--it's not as moist as it needs to be. I'll have to fill it until it starts draining and get back to this thread. The heat may also be throwing off the humidity by sucking a lot of the moisture out as the warmer, more humid air rises... I'll close up the upper holes in the FC and try to make a new one at the bottom, so the cool mist can suck in fresh air without letting as much out.

Okay, well, thanks for repeating the above answer to me (re-edit: oops, no one said that in this thread! It was the other one, I did some research first. I withdraw my accusation of repetetiveness.)--I guess it actually did make me consider it again. Maybe my skin isn't estimating humidity as well as I thought it did.


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Re: Are these pins? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7143791 - 07/07/07 09:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Nevermind. Stupid post on my part, flipping out over nothing.

Took digi photos that show tiny beads of condensation glistening from the flash on the rhizomorphs, when zoomed. Means RH is not a problem, switched setup back to how it was. (Would post pictures, but still can't find proper USB cord.)

Conclusion: This stuff just happens sometimes. Has nothing to do with pinning.

Maybe. Who knows? We'll see. Looks really freaking odd though.


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Re: Are these pins? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7143816 - 07/07/07 09:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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To me, aerial growth indicates the cake is still in its vegetative phase, trying to expand to new substrate. That would mean it's not trying to fruit, which would explain my lack of pins. Is this a reasonable conclusion?




Okay, what do you guys think of this, though? Is that a reasonable conclusion? If so, it suggests to me:

1) Too much humidity, or heat, or some other environmental condition that incorrectly suggests to the cake that there is more substrate outside the cake. I don't think too much humidity is ever a problem with cakes, though.

2) A lack of pinning triggers. They're getting a full 24 hours' light at this point, since I still can't get my timer working, but that should definitely get it pinning. FAE shouldn't be a problem, since the GH has three sizable holes for that purpose, and the cool mist has always been sufficient to circulate the air. A lack of pinning triggers doesn't always cause this problem though, so I don't think that's the issue.

Again, it might just be an anomaly... but it does seem to me, from the fact that this is a multispore bunch, that it's an environmental matter and not one of genetics. Really makes me curious, even if it's not a "problem" per se.

Edit: Ooh, a third possibility.

3) These cakes were fruited pretty quickly once they were perceived to have 100% colonization. That's why I held onto the other five for another five days, for comparison. It has been said repeatedly that 100% colonization is a fruiting trigger. Perhaps aerial rhizomorphic activity has to do with the fact that the cake might still be colonizing--internally. The outsides of a cake can sometimes be fully colonized before the inside is.

Now, the uncolonized inside of a cake is pretty safe from contaminants, so long as there are no outside vectors for entry. So... maybe these cakes are still completing their colonization internally, which is why they're still in the vegetative phase, hence the outward growth in a blind search for new substrate. Thoughts?

If that's true, the problem should solve itself within a day or three. Am I the only person who finds this question interesting, and should I stop posting about it? Haha.


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Re: Are these pins? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7144116 - 07/07/07 10:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Get rid of the 24 hour light. They do best when they have a period of darkness. You want 100 percent humidity and good air exchange. Nature will do the rest.
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Re: Are these pins? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7145113 - 07/08/07 03:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Okay--I've heard that 24-hour light is not the ideal (6-12 being best), but failing the timer that's the best option I have. I'll try to give them a 24-hour-on 24-hour-off period. That's the best I can manage given my situation.

I don't see why excessive light would cause this kind of irrational mycelial expansion (which is what I'm witnessing), but I'll take your word for it.

24-hour lighting hasn't notably damaged previous grows.


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Re: Are these pins? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7202086 - 07/20/07 11:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Im having the same strands on my cakes and on one of my casings too it looks funny but they all pinned and ive actually harvested the casing already

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Re: Are these pins? [Re: Nejinmy]
    #7202117 - 07/20/07 11:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

very detailed posting figgusfiddus =P


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