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Working with poo by an ignorant man
    #7200731 - 07/20/07 12:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ok... So I did PF Tek, rye casings, and mex a species with great success. Now I want to try poo since I'm sure the results will be even better. So here's what I have so far...

1) Buy 5 lbs of poo from here: http://www.the-shroom-room.com/store/product.php?productid=16241&cat=262&page=1

2) Spread a bottom layer of poo in casing trays.

3) Add a layer of completely colonized rye grass seed spawn jars on top of the bottom poo layer.

4) Add a layer of poo on top of the spawn substrate layer and let colonize.


Now for my questions...

1) Did I miss any steps?

2) My perlite fruiting chamber is good enough for the poo casings?

3) Once I put the tin foil on top and start to let it colonize in my incubator, do I need to mist it like when I do coir/verm casings with rye or can I get away with just letting it go?

4) How thick should the bottom layer of poo, the layer of substrate, and the top layer of poo be? Estimations are fine. Just trying to get your recommendations because if you respond I assume you are more knowledgable on the topic then myself :smile:

5) How many times should I do a poo layer, spawn layer, poo layer? Just 3 layers... repeat in each tray until I have more then 3 layers? The instructions explained in the paragraph on the site I'm getting the poo from confuses me because it says... "Or, optionally, spread out the manure into trays, add a layer of spawn, then a layer of manure, repeat.  Finish with a layer of manure on the very top." It makes it sound like I should have poo, spawn, poo, spawn, poo or something similar.

6) How many spawn jars should I use for 5 lbs of poo? Again, an estimate is fine. Your judgement on this matter is far better then mine I'm sure.

7) And finally, buying poo from that site I assume once I get it I can just throw the old spawn right in with it? It says use as soon as I get it so I assume it's ready to go but I'm just making sure.

Thanks so much for your time and patience as I try to learn to play with poo! I appreciate your time in reading this post and any help you were able to give!

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Re: Working with poo by an ignorant man [Re: ryanwgrad]
    #7200816 - 07/20/07 01:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

check into this:
horse poo tek

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Re: Working with poo by an ignorant man [Re: xrommy]
    #7200903 - 07/20/07 01:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've read that an actually have it printed. it's the tek I think I may follow. However it doesn't answer questions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (it kind of does... but I'd perfer someone going "I did this and it worked great"), 6, or 7. Thanks though.

Edited by ryanwgrad (07/20/07 01:31 AM)

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Re: Working with poo by an ignorant man [Re: ryanwgrad]
    #7201098 - 07/20/07 02:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

1-4.
theres no need to layer.
if your crumbling (spawning) cakes or grain to bulk substrate just mix the whole lot together.
try not to go higher than 1/4 spawn to bulk ratio.

2. 4-5 inches of drained perlite is fine for the fruiting chamber.
if you can place the trays on a rack,so they don't inhibit the perlite,all the better.

3. i prefer to use cling film to cover trays,enables you to see how the sub is colonizing without introducing the pinning triggers of light and FAE.
stab a few small holes and cover with micro-pore tape,then cover with paper or foil to keep the light out.
should be no need to mist at this stage if the bulk sub was properly hydrated.

4. 3.5-4 inches total depth is enough some people go as high as 5-6,
up to you.

good luck


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Re: Working with poo by an ignorant man [Re: deucedbi9]
    #7201203 - 07/20/07 04:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If I crumble the whole deal together... do I just open the bag, put in the spawn, shake it up to mix it around, and close it again? If so, do I need to use an impulse sealer to do this or how else would I close the bag?

And do I wait until the poo is 100% colonized like a rye jar or do I want it colonized more like a casing with patches and where you can still see the poo instead of a solid mass of white?

And finally, you said no more then 1/4 spawn to bulk ratio. In other words, I wouldn't want like 1 part spawn to 10 parts bulk. But if I went 3 parts spawn to 4 parts bulk that'd be ok. Is this right? Just making sure I understand how this works. Thank you very much.

Thanks for your help so far!

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Re: Working with poo by an ignorant man [Re: ryanwgrad]
    #7201213 - 07/20/07 04:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

just put the bulk into whatever tray you are going to use and mix in your spawn.

yes,wait until the top is fully colonized before casing.
1 part spawn to 4 parts manure.you can go higher or lower.
the higher the ratio of spawn to bulk the quicker the colonization...
in general.

do a search for "hyphae's" pinning strategy.never mind here you go.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155#3290155
Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. - Casing - Shroomery Message Board


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Re: Working with poo by an ignorant man [Re: deucedbi9]
    #7201448 - 07/20/07 07:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I read his pinning strategy before but it's great info and never hurts to review. Thanks for the link instead of me hunting his shit down. lol. Like I said, it is great info and always a great review. And thanks again for all the help. I think I have it all now. Poo doesn't seem too much harder... seems like it's worth a go. Thank you a lot!

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Re: Working with poo by an ignorant man [Re: ryanwgrad]
    #7201732 - 07/20/07 09:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

your welcome.
just as a "heads-up" and for future reference,in case you want to collect your own manure and save yourself some $$$.
the manure that you bought should be properly hydrated to "field capacity",do a search if you're unsure of the term.
take a handful and give it firm squeeze,it'll give you a good idea of the moisture content to aim for in a bulk sub.

i enjoy the exorcise of collecting my manure.
and the chance to meet my new friend and benefactor->



and her beneficence ->



lol
good luck


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Re: Working with poo by an ignorant man [Re: ryanwgrad]
    #7201757 - 07/20/07 09:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

LOL. Thanks again. I just realized my RR video which I've only watched portions of has a very comprehensive section on dealing with poo and answered all my questions anyway... including the field compacity term you speak of. You were right on the money with your advice. Thanks!

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