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Offlinepolitikill
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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: politikill]
    #725888 - 07/06/02 04:18 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

DoubleThink:
Here is a good link to a site that goes over IBM's link to the Nazi's:
http://www.guerrillanews.com/ibm/
Not a bad read either, they have IBM's response to the book posted there as well, check it out...


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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: politikill]
    #725922 - 07/06/02 04:38 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Evolving:
You calling the Nazi "Socialist" was perhaps one of the funniest things I have ever heard. Yes they used the name Socialist but they were so far from Socialist it isn't even funny.
If you take a look at the historical record the first people that Hitler went after were the Socialists and Communists (and of course the Jews), which he wiped out at a record pace. The Nazi's were perhaps the best example of Fascism the world has ever seen. I could call myself a Zebra but that in itself does not make me a Zebra!!
Furthermore, look into other countries and you will find that "National Socalist" is really another word for "Fascism"!!!!
Evolving we usually agree on political discussions but I have to disagree with anyone who calls the Nazi's Socialist...


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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: politikill]
    #726183 - 07/06/02 08:42 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Here are some quotes from the National Socialist German Workers Party platform. A lot of it expresses ideas which are very similar to what the Democrats, Greens, Socialists and other variety of statist in this country espouse....


"We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood."

"we demand:..."

"That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished."

"...all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits."

"We demand the nationalization of all trusts."

"We demand profit-sharing in large industries."

"We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions."

"We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities."

"We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land."

"We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished ... regardless of creed or race."

"We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law."

"In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State."
(Evolving's note: it takes a village)

"The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centres, by prohibiting juvenile labour, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young."

"We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press."

"Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved."

"We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race."

"The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against... materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:
COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD"

"In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states."

Reads very Socialistic to me.

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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: ]
    #726190 - 07/06/02 08:45 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

fucking socialists,, me sends out assasins............

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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: nugsarenice]
    #726487 - 07/06/02 12:27 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Yes Nugs I agree, they were fucking socialists. The National Socialist German Workers Party was more commonly known as The NAZI Party.

Edited by Evolving (07/06/02 12:49 PM)

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    #726488 - 07/06/02 12:30 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Fucking we should seriously send a u.n. peacekeeping team there immediatley, to avoid another WW2

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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: nugsarenice]
    #726504 - 07/06/02 12:42 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Germany does participate in war again. Just a couple years ago was the first time since WW2. In the invasion of Serbia German troops and air men fought with NATO allies.


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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: nugsarenice]
    #726705 - 07/06/02 02:50 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I found it interesting that Jack London (Call of the Wild, and other famous stories) was a socialist.

mj

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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: mjshroomer]
    #726706 - 07/06/02 02:51 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

maybe a true socialist, ,but you got to understand that the majority of socialists are evil.

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    #726712 - 07/06/02 02:55 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Evolving, thank you for explaining that NAZIism s a sort of socialism. That had always puzzled me an I'de never bothered to look in to it. Thank you.


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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #726740 - 07/06/02 03:10 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Look at what the socialists did to Czhecklosavakia, fucking socialists.

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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: nugsarenice]
    #728590 - 07/07/02 07:23 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You guys can hate Socialist, that is fine but the Nazi's were NOT socialist sorry evolving you can quote as much Nazi propaganda as you want. Here is a political scientist explaining the orgins of National Socialism:

"National Socialism was similar in many respects to Italian fascism.
The roots of National Socialism, however, were peculiarly German, grounded, for example, in the Prussian tradition of military authoritarianism and expansion; in the German romantic tradition of hostility to rationalism, liberalism, and democracy."


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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: politikill]
    #728608 - 07/07/02 07:34 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

"The Nazis blamed the Communists and made the incident a pretext to suppress the Communist Party with brutal violence; later, the Social Democratic Party (Socialists) was also violently suppressed. Neither party offered organized resistance. All other parties were subsequently outlawed, the attempt to create a new party was made a crime, and the National Socialist Party became the only legal party. In the Enabling Act of March 23, 1933, the legislative powers of the Reichstag were passed to the cabinet. The act granted Hitler dictatorial powers and signified the end of the Weimar Republic."
"Thereafter the party was the principal instrument of the totalitarian control of the state and of German society"


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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: politikill]
    #728698 - 07/07/02 08:19 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

politikill wrote:
...sorry evolving you can quote as much Nazi propaganda as you want
Sorry politikill but the quotes are taken directly from the points of the NSDAP (Nazi) Program. They were composed by Adolf Hitler and Anton Drexler. They were publically presented on 24 February 1920. All these points were part of Hitler's agenda. Please feel free to eliminate the parts (if any) for which there was no planning, goal of implementation, or were not in force during the era of Hitler, what remains is socialist. Facism is indeed a form of socialism.

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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: politikill]
    #728737 - 07/07/02 08:38 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

politikill quoted:
"The Nazis blamed the Communists and made the incident a pretext to suppress the Communist Party with brutal violence; later, the Social Democratic Party (Socialists) was also violently suppressed. Neither party offered organized resistance. All other parties were subsequently outlawed, the attempt to create a new party was made a crime, and the National Socialist Party became the only legal party. In the Enabling Act of March 23, 1933, the legislative powers of the Reichstag were passed to the cabinet. The act granted Hitler dictatorial powers and signified the end of the Weimar Republic."
"Thereafter the party was the principal instrument of the totalitarian control of the state and of German society"


And this proves what?

So the Nazis suppressed other factions of socialism. How is this different of various religions being eliminated or driven underground by the dominant church? It was a power struggle of various factions, the Nazis won that round.

Anyone who believes in the implementation of socialism via the state is advocating the use of the coercive power of the state to implement his particular agenda. He is advocating the intiation of force against his fellow human being, whether he wants to admit it or not. Taken to it's logical conclusion this will entail the killing of those who resist and refuse to give up their resistence.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
-- Mao Tse-tung, 1938,

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Re: The Mother of All Sand Castles-Osama Style [Re: politikill]
    #728892 - 07/07/02 09:42 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Fucking Hungary too, what are you some kind of Marxist!

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