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I started great but are my conditions wrong?
    #719522 - 07/03/02 04:38 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Hey, I'm a newbie shroomer here and have a few questions.
I am growing an EQ strain I got from sporeworks.com. They seem to be doing great so far, full colonization occured in 78 Hours and pinning occured in only 2 days after being put in the fruiting chamber, it's now 2 days later and the cakes are full of lill fellas. Firstly is it abnormal for a newbie to get fruiting after just 8 days from innoculation?! Also does temperature and humidity drastically affect the size of mushrooms? Right now I'm using a modified fruiting chamber I came up with. Pictures will come soon!


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #719538 - 07/03/02 05:00 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You had full colonization of your jars 78 hours? Were you using a thimble instead of a jar? Sounds almost impossible to me... What size jars are you using? What did you use for a substrate?
Provide some more information, if you wouldn't mind.

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: Mycelium]
    #719574 - 07/03/02 05:23 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Substrate was BRF, very fine ground BRF and vermiculite, jars half pint. As soon as I Inoculated I placed them in a dark closet, next day I checked, I could see the myc in small sections all over the jar, day after I checked and it had grown very dense, next day The whole jar was thick white and I could see an oily liquid all over the jars. The cakes were then birthed the next day on perlite with a modified fish tank pump setup taking fresh air into the container 24/7 with cold air being flushed into the terrium 3 times a day so that temps would stay ideal and moisture would be balanced 3 days later and I now have many little guys about 1-2 inches tall growing, I am worried about the humidity because some of them have myc growing on the caps! Should I maybe run the air pump less, or stop the cold air flushing?


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #719601 - 07/03/02 05:55 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Let me see if I understand correctly:

Innoc to 100% colonization = 3 days
birthed and starting to pin = 3 days

I would say you are the master of your mushrooms! Thats the funniest thing I have read in awhile. Thank you!

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: Frog31337]
    #719610 - 07/03/02 06:04 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I believe you want a lower humudity when fruiting(some) strains of mushrooms. I'm fairly new, so don't take my word on that. But, yeah, that is very amazing how fast the mycelium grew. I hope mine grows even 1/3 of that fast.

Good luck!

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: Frog31337]
    #719639 - 07/03/02 06:24 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Frog, I'm not sure how I did it, but I am no where near a master, I know shit about mushrooms, I'm a newbie, maybe beginners luck? Maybe it's where I live? I live in the caribbean so nights are cold and days are humid, temps usually hover around the ideal shrom temps. Lets, not 6 days, lets say 4 days innoculation and 4 days birthed and pinned. I have read that when myc grows on the caps when humidity is too low, maybe i'll run the air pump less?


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #719887 - 07/03/02 08:56 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

no if anything you need more air exchange to get the humidity down. you are useing perilite for humidity correct? not the air pump? you may even want to try fanning it once a day to remove the humidity. Or you could remove some of that perilite.

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: L3D]
    #720268 - 07/03/02 11:36 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Using perlite as the casing layer, and also have a dual air pump going into the terrium for filtered air. The thing is I see minimal condensation on the terrium walls, totally opposite to all the other terrium pictures I see here, where condensation is practically running down the sides of the terrium. What do i do to correct this?


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #720284 - 07/03/02 11:42 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Condensation will usually form on the walls if the outside temperature is lower than that inside the terranium. If it is the same, none will form.Lack of condensation does not mean your humidity is too low.

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #720375 - 07/03/02 12:22 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

PIss as a substitute...hmm that might be a good idea, I'm not sure if I did anything differently, I followed the BRF formula and added BS 'not bull shit' brown sugar to the water formula. Could it be that my enviroment conditions are simply perfect? The only thing I did differently is that I used a full spore print for just two cakes. Thats all...I'm a totall newbie, i'm really shocked that I got the suckers to even grow this well, I have about 50 young mushrooms 1st flush on each cake about 2 inches in size, extreme beginners luck


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #720415 - 07/03/02 12:34 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You added brown sugar?! I've never heard of doing that! Where did you come up with that idea? I wonder if that's the magic ingredient to your fast growth?!


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #720594 - 07/03/02 02:21 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

The only thing I did differently is that I used a full spore print for just two cakes.

Now I'm far from being an expert on growing(growing for first time myself) but wouldnt that calculate to like 5cc's of spores per cake, which seems like an awful lot. Perhaps there was so many spores the cake just went absolutely apeshit, however 4 days still does sound incredibly fast. Just giving my two cents.

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: Danimal]
    #720722 - 07/03/02 03:49 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

^^^

I noticed that too... I'd imagine that he used a lot of spores on just those 2 cakes.
but he also mentioned brown sugar, ive never heard of that b4. maybe that has something to do wiht it still?


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: GWAR]
    #720790 - 07/03/02 04:29 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You're all right, I did use allot of spores, but i suppose the more spores the faster the network builds up, whatever, i'll just make another print. To clear it up, I used the BRF tek, followed all instructions and measurements, I simply dissolved brown sugar into the water before mixing it all up. I am almost ready to innoculate about 12 more jars, i'll document it better, 6 with sugar, 6 without, well see if it was just a fluke.


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #720796 - 07/03/02 04:31 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Everything has been great so far, cakes are full of shrooms, growing at an unbelievable rate, everytime I look at them they seem to be bigger hehe. One cake has about 50 shrooms on it, all at least 2-3inches tall, not a single abort! Damn these EQ's kick ass!


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: Component]
    #721338 - 07/03/02 08:19 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

i've herd of using honey but i wounder how honey and brown surgar would do??????/


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: MadDhAdDeR420]
    #721909 - 07/04/02 05:06 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

i am using 1 full tsp per 1/2 pint cake


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: Component]
    #722079 - 07/04/02 07:09 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I'm putting brown sugar in my next batch forsure....this is sooo exciting!
If it works it could change ALOT....
where did you get this idea...?


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: badjessejames]
    #722091 - 07/04/02 07:15 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

High school fungus eperiment hehe


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #722226 - 07/04/02 08:48 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

u said you were gonan do 6 with sugar, and 6 without.. was there any difference?? or are all your jars growing like crazy now.


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: GWAR]
    #722237 - 07/04/02 08:57 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I will do 12 jars, 6 with six without and I'll post the results, I would liek to get some other stuff corrected first that may flaw the experiment, such as terrium conditions, humidity, temp and c02 levels, I'm new to this but i'll notify everyone with results. Too answer you question, my two cakes are growing like crazy, however I think C02 levels too high, they dont seem to be bulking up.


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #724346 - 07/05/02 08:22 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

OH! Half a print per 1/2 pint jar would really speed things along! The sugar idea is cool. Any ideas on how natural honey vs processed sugar vs pure cane sugar might turn out? etc I look forward to seeing your results. Good luck!

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: Frog31337]
    #724355 - 07/05/02 08:33 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You said you used Perlite as a casing layer??? If you're using cakes do you mean you have perlite at the base of your terrarium? If you double-ended with perlite that would burn through your mycellium....hopefully that was just a typo.

Congrats on your apparent speedy developments. I'm surprised nobody asked you more about the "oil substance"...condensation in my jars was simply water...nothing oily.

It's cool that you're in trinidad...I'd like to visit there some day and visit some Shango temples. I'm Lukumi which is the Yoruba religion as it came to Cuba. Olorun agbe O.

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #725123 - 07/05/02 03:48 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Wow full colonization in 3 days, thats really something.
How are your expermients coming along now? Have anyone else tried out this formula?


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #764857 - 07/21/02 02:40 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Something is very wrong here. Full colonization of a 1/2 pint in 3 days!?! That is IMPOSSIBLE! I wont believe it.

Also 1 print for 2 cakes!?! That is rediculous. You could have made over 10 syringes with one print, and inoculated over 100 jars!!! Did you use a syringe? Maybe you mentioned so, I didnt catch it. If you did, this means you used 5cc of spore water per jar.....that would tweak the formula. Moisture content way too high.

Now, how are these doing now? You started a new thread today, and it seems you are starting over. So this didnt go well, correct?


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: pleezr]
    #764940 - 07/21/02 03:06 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

"The ORIGINAL PF tek calls for 66 cc's of water( http://www.shroomery.org/findorgrowthem.php?View=docs&doc=15 ). According to your thread you used 1 whole print in 1 syringe and that syringe was used for 2 cakes. That is 5 cc's per cake, thats 1/2 a print for 1 cake. 5 ccs of spore water, 60 cc's of substrate water. That mean 1/12 the amount of water was FULL with spores. Now if you innoculated like everyone else then the spore water was injected high in the cake and trickled down throughout the cake. That would soak the whole cake in spores. They would all germinate at roughly the same time and that would make thousands of innoculation points. That would make the whole cake colonize in 1-3 days."

"Also the brown sugar, my friend tried that with 10 cakes, no luck at all. They all colonized in 16 days and fruited normally"

Thats a post from me from his other thread, it kinda makes sence to this colonization time....
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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #765117 - 07/21/02 04:00 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

My fastest is 9 days w/PES Hawaiian, next 10 days w/PR. Come on.....3 days!?! Then pins 3 days later? If this were so, why do you question wheather you can harvest 50g in 3-4 weeks? At this rate you could do it in just over a week!


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: pleezr]
    #765133 - 07/21/02 04:05 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

It is 101% the fault of the insane amount of spores he put in there. But the pinning in 3 days is harder to belive....
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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: Fd3000]
    #765626 - 07/21/02 06:22 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, okay. That's amazing. 3 days to colonize and 3 to pin? Damn. There goes that 3-4 weeks idea.


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: bluefoot]
    #765670 - 07/21/02 06:32 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I question the ability to do this because...
1. I do not have enough spores right now to inncoculate 24 1/2 pint jars with half a print each!
2. Although colonization was fast and pinning was fast, the cakes produced very little in terms of dry weight and contaminants screwed me in the middle of the second flush. As I said, I was hoping for a method with a greater degree of safety.


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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #765738 - 07/21/02 06:57 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Impossible.
Even when I used a master honey culture the fastest I had was 9-10 days.
And that was a pint jar.
So half that and you`re looking at atleast 5 days.
And then fruiting , you need atleast a day for the mycelium to recover after the cake has been broken up and then time for the casing to start fruiting.
All in all I can`t see 8 days total time.
Anyway.

I guess we'll never know.

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #765775 - 07/21/02 07:05 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

any pics or anything yet? and did you try any of the experiments with the sugar?

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Re: I started great but are my conditions wrong? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #765815 - 07/21/02 07:15 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

1. I do not have enough spores right now to inncoculate 24 1/2 pint jars with half a print each!



This is a waste
In reply to:

2. Although colonization was fast and pinning was fast, the cakes produced very little in terms of dry weight and contaminants screwed me in the middle of the second flush.


Is it possible that it was a contam that dominated your cakes in the first place? A contam can easily explode in a few days. Maybe that is why you didnt get much fruit.

These are only possibilities. I am trying to get a feel for your logic.


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