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July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed.
    #718270 - 07/02/02 04:50 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

YESTERDAY IN HISTORY ?.. WITHHOLDING. 1943

I missed this hideous anniversary yesterday, July 1st. But, better late than never.

July 1, 1943 was the day the modern era of income tax withholding began. The politicians told the American people that the withholding program would only last until the end of World War II. After the war we would go back to the tried-and-true system of Americans figuring out how much tax they owed at the end of every year and writing a check.

So ? Fifty-nine years ago Americans stopped knowing how much they earned. They started knowing what they ?took home.?

Fifty-nine years ago Americans stopped knowing how much they paid in federal income taxes, they only knew how much they were ?getting back.?

The withholding system has been the magic enabler that has allowed politicians to raise taxes and spending year after year after year without any repercussions from the electorate. When the final history of the destruction of freedom is written, July 1, 1943 will be much-lamented date.

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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #718605 - 07/02/02 08:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

So which political party supports removing this statue of the tax law?


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: nugsarenice]
    #718659 - 07/02/02 08:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party both support repeal of this statute.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: ]
    #718664 - 07/02/02 08:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

is that the political party you support?


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #718668 - 07/02/02 08:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'de rather pay income tax than property tax even though income tax is more. Too bad we're stuck with both.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #718673 - 07/02/02 08:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

What about the other way around. No income tax, but only property, but based on a different scale.

2 problesm are population is constanly changing, and all people are created equal.
So devise a tax that taxes everyone based on their own personal percentage of the world, that they must pay. Based on land, and expanded into income, if you do not own land. Just a thought.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #719333 - 07/03/02 01:19 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I would rather pay property tax. I pay $1300 a year for my house and I dont own the land, the city does since I live in a historic landmark area. Plus I get $1000 taken out monthly for taxes and at the end of the year I get no where near half of that back.

How many of you pay state and federal tax? I know that some states dont have a state tax, You people are lucky.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: nugsarenice]
    #719361 - 07/03/02 01:57 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone that owns property or pays rent pays property tax. If you rent it's added in to the cost of the rent you pay. You pay more rent to the owner and he pays the tax with the rent you paid him.

I hate property tax with a passion. The way I view it is that no one that pays property tax owns the land or property they pay the tax on. The property tax is a rent payment government permission to use and occupy the land which you have a deed to. If you don't pay your tax/rent to the city or county then men with guns will force you off of the property and if you resist with force they will kill you. It's just the principle of not owning any property in America that really unnerves me.

It's not the amount of the tax I pay that bothers me as much of the principle of the thing behind it. Now income tax is more fair than property tax because it taxes people based on their ability to pay. Those that can afford more can pay more and those that can afford to pay less pay less. If you make more you pay more and if you make less you pay less. But with property taxes it's based on what you own or posess. If someone with a low income owns 5000 acres he will lose his land because the gov will take it from him for not paying his taxes on it. This has screwed thousands of family farmers out of their land that has been in their families for generations.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #719396 - 07/03/02 02:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I would rather see a national sales tax with NO exemptions for anyone, business or personal.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #719405 - 07/03/02 02:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Not even non profits organizations or local school districts buy teaching supplies? How heartless of you!


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    #719480 - 07/03/02 05:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

A national sales tax that exempts food and medical items would be preferrable to an income tax or a property tax. A government that only sticks to it's constitutionaly defined roles would greatly reduce expenditures.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #719517 - 07/03/02 06:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>Not even non profits organizations or local school districts buy teaching supplies? How heartless of you! <

Property taxes ARE what funds local schools. Thats why schools in poor neighborhoods are soo poor, their just isnt as much comeing in from property taxes to fund the schools. Now with Bush slashing federal grant money to states to aid in school programs many schools will suffer over the next few years because they are gona get even less money...

At lest we will have better bombs, less freedom, stricter laws and yet another security force called the Department of Homeland Defence.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #719635 - 07/03/02 08:19 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Where in the constitution or bill of rights does it say the federal government should be in the business of any type of school funding?


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #719664 - 07/03/02 08:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

There are few things in the constituiton that the goverment chooses to ignore..."freedom of the press" is a fine example


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: Rono]
    #719676 - 07/03/02 08:49 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Really? The way the media here likes to slam Bush and kiss the ass of people who seem to have no purpose in life besides slamming the US, you'd never know it.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #719680 - 07/03/02 08:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmm ...have you heard about the Massacre in Mazar?...No?...Why do you suppose that is?


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Edited by Rono (07/03/02 08:52 AM)


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    #719701 - 07/03/02 09:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The press is still free here. Selective reporting and editorial discretion are not the same as censorship.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: ]
    #719704 - 07/03/02 09:06 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

And why do you suppose that they would "choose" not to print an article related to the above?


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    #719716 - 07/03/02 09:17 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Luvdemshrooms wrote:
Where in the constitution or bill of rights does it say the federal government should be in the business of any type of school funding?

I believe that the separation of school and state is just as important as the separation of church and state, but Adolph Hitler (example: the Hitler Youth) believed and most leftists in modern America believe the State has a duty to properly form young minds to government standards. I assert that it is a parent's duty to see to the education of their children and if an adult (18 yrs and over) wants an education, it is his/her responsibility to provide it. Of course if we weren't taxed at a rate exceeding that of medieval serfs we would be able to afford to send all our children to the schools of our choice.


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Re: July 1, 1943.... a sad day indeed. [Re: Rono]
    #719719 - 07/03/02 09:20 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I have heard of the alleged US involvment.

It may make you feel better to think the US media is censored, but you would truly have to be a fool to think it is so.

Even the editors of that left wing rag, The NY Times, which is as liberal a rag as exists, would laugh at you for that one.


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