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 Diploid
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 The Ethics Of Survival 
#7172102 - 07/13/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Imagine you're on a lifeboat with 10 kids but only enough food for five of them to survive until rescue. If you feed all 10, all 10 will starve to death. If you push five overboard to their death, the other five will survive.
Is it right to deliberately kill the five so the others can live?
Could you do that if you were the only adult in charge of the boat and if so, could you live with yourself afterward?
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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 Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Diploid]
#7172107 - 07/13/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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nope, can't do it. The ultimate ethical thing to do would be to sacrifice your own body and tell the kids to eat your flesh. 
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Edited by Mark_W (07/13/07 05:22 PM)
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Diploid]
#7172110 - 07/13/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just kill one to feed the rest with 
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Diploid]
#7172114 - 07/13/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually, if you had some means of preparing food, it would be more ethical to drown two of the kids and allow eight kids to survive by consuming them.
Seriously, though.... that would be one killer game of rock, paper, scissors. 
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Diploid]
#7172116 - 07/13/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simple, just kill yourself to provide them with more food. 
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Wow, I guess I was more hungry than you.  
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 Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Mark_W]
#7172119 - 07/13/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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nope, can't do it.
You'd relegate all 10 kids to certain death?
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Republican Values:
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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 Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Veritas]
#7172122 - 07/13/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Simple, just kill yourself to provide them with more food.
I'm old and tough. They'd get indigestion.
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Republican Values:
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Mark_W]
#7172125 - 07/13/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mark_W said:
The ultimate ethical thing to do would be to sacrifice your own body and tell the kids to eat your flesh.
Are you sure? They probably would all die if it were not for my overwhelming leadership and decision-making skills.
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Diploid]
#7172136 - 07/13/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Diploid said:
Is it right to deliberately kill the five so the others can live?
Sure, if you decide it to be right. It isn't as though there is an objective code of ethics, and it seems to be the reasonable decision to make. 
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Could you do that if you were the only adult in charge of the boat and if so, could you live with yourself afterward?
I'd do it if it was necessary, and I could live with myself afterwards. If I didn't do it, I wouldn't be able to live with myself afterwards. 
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I could ask for volunteers haha, but I couldn't kill them against their will.
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Diploid]
#7172141 - 07/13/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Diploid said:
Simple, just kill yourself to provide them with more food.
I'm old and tough. They'd get indigestion.
I don't believe you. I know that you've been cultivating a mouth-watering physique through the consumption of animal products. Mmmmm...that's good Diploid!
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Diploid]
#7172143 - 07/13/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Diploid said:
Imagine you're on a lifeboat with 10 kids but only enough food for five of them to survive until rescue.
How would you know when you're going to be rescued?
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: dblaney]
#7172181 - 07/13/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Imagine you're on a lifeboat...
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Republican Values:
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Diploid]
#7172201 - 07/13/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm imagining I'm on a lifeboat. But I can't imagine how I'd know when I'm going to be rescued and would be able to figure out how much food I'd have.
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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"
"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer
Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: dblaney]
#7172202 - 07/13/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I couldnt kill em, just thinking about looking into their eyes...I'd rather just share the food and enjoy, while talking about our favorite things we did in life - Enjoy the moment!
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And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7172210 - 07/13/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Indeed. An excellent response to an impossible ethical dilemma. 
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 Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Diploid]
#7172216 - 07/13/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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It would be a strange set of unfolding events having to teach a bunch of hungry children how to consume you -
that is, after you figure out a successful way of killing yourself without falling overboard....
There is ALWAYS going to be one kid that calls dibs on the wishbone....! 
It is really hard making an honest accurate decision for something like this....
One of the kids might be the McGuiver(sp?) type that can make an 8-cylinder boat motor out of a stick of bubblegum....
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: Veritas]
#7172219 - 07/13/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Qutie. Indubitably. We agree that we do not disagree, on that which we agree with ourselves.
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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.
And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Re: The Ethics Of Survival [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7172222 - 07/13/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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they all wouldn't starve at the SAME time.
wait till the first one dies, and then BAM!
also that way when you are rescued and get back, the parents of the eaten children won't sue you for killing and eating them.
you know it'd happen.
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