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A Meeting with god.
    #7171922 - 07/13/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

To start off I would like to say that both my girlfriend and I are both avid "trippers". We enjoy the experience highly, but don't do it for "fun" per se. I believe that we both look for a higher consciousness and understanding of our bodies, minds, and spirits.

Setting the scenario, Kelly (my girlfriend) decided to come visit me, and in thinking about how we would like to spend our weekend together the idea of taking mushrooms came up. Both of us being fairly experienced with 3.5 grams we had both decided that we would like to go further.

So, we put together some dough and bought 10 grams for the two of us.

We wanted to do a transitional night/day trip to get the best of both worlds. so we started about 7:30 (it gets dark about 9/9:30 right now).

Our method of ingestion was just eating and chewing with others foods, (such as crackers and cookies and whatnot) and washed it all down with some Gatorade.

During the come up we both smoked a bit to calm the senses and relive the slight nausea we were feeling. Within 10-15 minutes we both experienced intense euphoria that we enjoyed very much.

To explain the feeling, it was a sudden realization that "wow, this is what makes life so worth living". Just an extreme inner peace.

As a side note, During the first few hours of our trip we had shpongle and other relaxing music playing in the background that I enjoyed quite a bit.

About an hour into it we were both getting fairly intense visuals, with many patterns on everything.

My cousin who was just kind of hanging out to witness the process decided he wanted to go to bed about 2 hours into it so he left, and now it was just me and Kelly, going through a full blown 5 g trip enjoying ourselves, talking to each other explaining feeling, emotions, visuals and altered perceptions.

I have been told by many people that a good thing to do is to have a campfire nearby that would add to the visuals. So I did that and it was pretty cool for awhile.

But then, something flipped in my head. All the sudden I felt as if the smoke coming from the fire was a terrible thing that could get us all in trouble and that fire trucks have got to be on their way by now, Paranoia set in.

As Kelly sat inside the tent trying to calm herself down I was busy outside attempting to stop the smoke. I tried pouring Gatorade on the fire which created exponentially more and more smoke. So out of total desperocity I started running back and forth grabbing handfuls of dirt and frantically throwing it onto the fire. This put it out and stopped the smoke for the most part.

Not wanting to put Kelly in this same terrible paranoid head space I was in I walked away a bit to attempt to clear my head. Thinking to myself "You are in a different reality right now, everything is ok, everything will be ok, it is a chemical that will leave your body when it is done, but right now you just need to hang on.

Pulling myself together I started to feel guilty leaving Kelly alone, so I went to check on her inside the tent.

I started calling her name from about 20 feet away so that I wouldn't scare her. I herd a reply and that made me feel a Little better.

Entering the tent I ask her how she was doing. she replied "right now I am very confused" and I agreed to the fullest extent.

Now things really started to get weird, being in this tent, closed up, I started to hear things. Sounds were not created but altered. There was a highway a few miles away that carried sound all the way to our position, and I am fairly sure that all sound was amplified, and it was buzzing in my ear like a mosquito. So I told Kelly, "look, I am about to cover my ears, and I am am going to attempt to make these weird sounds and voices go away", and she said ok.

After learning to just accept all of this foreign audio, I stopped and took a huge breath. Another wave of paranoia hit and the mushrooms started to fully kick in.

All of the sudden I found my self kneeled in the middle of the tent with my hands in a prayer position. How I got this was is a mystery to me, but this is where things really took a strange turn.

With colors, pattern and fractals Swishing and swirling all around me like I have entered a whole different dimension, I begin to plead with god asking him to take it away, that I have learned my lesson, and I am ready to come back.

Then like the flick of a light switch the swirling colors end, The sounds dampen, and I look over at Silent Kelly and say, "Kelly". There is about a 5 second pause and I hear "Yes?", all I can get out is, "Kelly I love you". And she responds with "I love you too". We spent the rest of our waking night calming each other down and discussing what had just happened.

I have learned the awesome power of psychedelics out of this experience and so has she.

The shocking thing is that Kelly pre trip was 100% atheist, 100% evolutionist, and what she gathered from her trip is a totally different perspective. She now believes that a "god" a Spiritual being created all fo us, but not how we are now. "God" created primitive man, and we, what we are today have evolved from that. Sort of a Hybrid theory.

I took a lot from this experience, Mostly good. It was a confusing intensity I would not like to enter again until I am more mentally mature.

I have come to do alot of realizing in my life ever since. And the funny thing is that in my desperocity asking god to help me, I mentally prayed and asked him to forgive me because I knew when it was all over I would go back to my everyday life, and there was a good chance I would lose alot of faith, that one day I would speak with him again, but it may not be for awhile.

I will continue to explore my consciousness, I will continue to change my perception, I will continue to grow.

-Peace be to you.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7171940 - 07/13/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Good Post Brother!

I think now you know how intense it can get, you have a good idea of the many possible paths ahead of you! No Fear, All Love here!

Keep on Living, sista!


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7172370 - 07/13/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

That's awesome how mushrooms made an atheist believe that there is a god. I've had spiritual trips, but they usually are alot darker...there were times where I believed with all my being that there is a hell.

Maybe it was my subconscious, but I find that alot of people put too much of their trust into modern science, to say that there is nothing out there...is just being close minded IMO.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: CosmicStorm]
    #7172951 - 07/13/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Heh, I can relate. My first high dose mushroom escapade was 9g topped with a full 1/3g insnufflulated DMT at the peak.

I can't really describe what happened in any brevity, but during the peak of the DMT, I had this thought:

"JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH! I AM NOT READY TO DIE YET! LET ME FUCKING LIVE!"

And with that I immediatley returned to my body, and started coming down, totally petrified over what I had just experienced  :whoa: . I was humbled in a way that changed me forever. I know that God isn't just some crazy idea that someone made up to explain the unexplainable. I was a rigid atheist/skeptic before I started exploring higher doses of psychedelics (and particularly, DMT). My perspective has changed to say the least.

Trip on :mushroom2:


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7173001 - 07/13/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Its just a drug. It makes you think your learning more about life and the universe and ect...it makes you think that your changing and its all thanks to the mushrooms. It makes you THINK that god is speaking to you...

Really...its just drugs...its just a delusion...Believe it or not...THIS is the REAL REALITY.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7173139 - 07/13/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

great post!:)


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: aDoS]
    #7173167 - 07/13/07 10:57 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't wish to argue that point with you aDoS, because honestly, nobody knows for sure anything to do with the afterlife. Everything is either theory or faith.

Yes, psilocybin is a drug, I will agree to that. But why is it that one could achieve like expierences through deep meditation?

To the other two posotive responses to my post, Thanks always for the good vibes.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7173171 - 07/13/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I like your sig Dun.

Edit: Sorry for thread stealing.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7173203 - 07/13/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

its becauseim drunker then all of you


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7173206 - 07/13/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

and being drunk makes me negative and argue with everyone, and honestly, i like this feeling of being negative.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: aDoS]
    #7173222 - 07/13/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

aDoS said:
and being drunk makes me negative and argue with everyone, and honestly, i like this feeling of being negative.




I hate the feeling of being drunk unless I am trying to escape mental pain, wich is just a sorry excuse to give up doing it on your own.

Liking the feeling of being negetive makes me think you have some terrible resent for something or someone.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7173229 - 07/13/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

resent for what? i dunno...I like beer though. Im not using it as a form of escapism...thats what pot is for...and i am done with that shit, and i am done with pyschedelics, they have fucked my head enough.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: aDoS]
    #7173252 - 07/13/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't feel psychedelics have "fucked" my mind at all. I feel I have a great grip on reality. Others would and do say the same about me.

If anything I have been shown the other side, and other perspectives of a lot of things. I feel I have grown, wether it was all what you say to be "dilusions", or I have atually hightened my counciousness.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7173524 - 07/14/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

dune raver i think it's interesting you should say that, and your signature provokes some interesting thought as well.

Although it is a chemical, it is really hard to put down a lot of 'religious' and spiritual experience to just the chemicals themselves, because millions of people have taken the exact same chemicals, every experience is different but not all of them, or certainly not everyone who takes these drugs have religious experiences.

Perhaps these chemicals induce a spiritual state that was already dormant in the mind, or introduces a new dimension of spirituality/expreience to the mind.

Perhaps the people that DO experience religious happenings on these chemicals have a 'spirit gene' in their body that allows them to have these experience, as opposed to others who don't have them.

Perhaps these substances truly are gifts from god(s), another world, another dimension and we are finally beginning to have the infinity of existence shown to us in tiny fragments, because we are indeed blind and completely unaware of what is REALLY going on.

A believe that every religion on the face of the earth is derived from psychedelic experiences in the past that have been taken way too literally and turned into power, as opposed to benefit mankind, and if all religions (cheistianity especially) are based on drug experiences ofcrazy arabs, then I guess drugs are to blame for all the problems in the world.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: indica]
    #7173631 - 07/14/07 02:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

All I Can say, is beautifully put Indica.

If all our trips are, are just "dilusions". then why are there so many people that expierence the same thing? I think it is a bit more than coincidence.

"Perhaps these chemicals induce a spiritual state that was already dormant in the mind, or introduces a new dimension of spirituality/expreience to the mind."

I agree with that to the fullest extent.

What I want to know is, what if a person with no knowledge of religion were to go through such a thing, is there a possibility for a spiritual expierence with no spiritual background?


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7173668 - 07/14/07 02:29 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I've no idea. but that's where I begin to think religion came from.
Picture it this way.


4000 years ago there were a bunch of dehydrated arab goat farmers wandering around the desert with very little if not no knowledge whatsoever of the world around them. None of them have experienced or know anything about the spirits around them.

I find it hard to believe that 'god' would appear to them if they were sotally tober, I find it also hard to believe that god would talk to someone through a burning bush, and if they were sotally tober, then they would have to have an incredibly vivid imagination to be able to CONVINCE people that a burning bush was god and was talking to them.

So, to answer your question, someone with no religious knowledge or experience would almost certainly encounter a holy entity on their trips at some stage, if they were the right kind of person. I used to be one of those yuppie 'christian' kids with no idea of what the hell i was being told to believe. i just followed, i was a sheep.

I remember on a bus ride home from school one day I started thinking "do I REALLY believe in God? I mean, what evidence is there?" and I was athiest from then on in, but not REALLY an athiest if you know what I mean, I was just 'ignoring' god because I guess unless he really showed himself to me instead of just sappy miracles that happen to other people, then he wasn't 'real' to me, perhaps 'real' to others, but not to me.

That was the way I saw it, he wasn't 'my god' and i just became really conceited about the whole thing. This went on for a few years and I stumbled upon mushrooms when I was 17, I wouldn't say it was a 'religious' experience but very very spiritually rewarding. It was intense, I saw the world and universe and the expanse of it on the journey and learned a lot, but I still wasn't a christian.

Then I came across acid and a couple of my trips were intensely INTENSELY religious. I met god, face to face. he showed himself to me and said "you cannot hide from me. i am all. this is me proving myself to you" and I felt very special after this experience because we are always told to fear god and not question him, he doesn't need to prove himself to anybody for any reason, but he did for me. And ever since those experiences I have had a profound knowledge of what god is, and his powers, and I can justify my laughing in the face of other religions and find it absurd how people can go through their entire lives having faith in something they know absolutely nothing about, albeit how wise they acually are.

I cannot fathom the sheepish nature of the human race, how they just blindly follow these absurd religions and swallow everything they are told without questioning anything they are told. It makes me very sad, but to know that I have experienced and witnessed the power of god forst hand, and sat down with him and had a solid moment in eternityt, as he showed me my journey through the universe makes me feel blessed and lucky, to know that I was an 'exception' or something..

I'm not trying to don a holier than thou attitude here, but I feel special. I don't know, it's weird. but then I think, if it were for these substances then it must mean that religion is basically a drug? An opiate of the masses, as Marx put it. Well, in that case then all religion is based on a drug experience had by some crazy sheep farmers and shamans in the jungles, yet they have strayed so far from these roots and look what has become of them. Violence, quests for power, wars, jihads, bombings, corrupt governments 'based' on these religions, it is such a far cry from the experience was meant to teach us.

It is my wish that the entire world population gets to experience what I have, not necessarily a drugged experience, but a deep religious encounter such as I had so that they could understand what they are to believe in.

A lot of religious people have never had a religious experience. These people pray to God they know nothing about, put so much faith in him, ask the wrong thing, believe that HE is the one pulling the strings in their lives, when it is them who are the master of their own destiny.

"It is god's will"

no. it isn't, it's yours and you live to choose how you want to please or displease this power... it's an amazing power I could go on for hours about, but I'll stop here


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: indica]
    #7173680 - 07/14/07 02:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I am going to think about all you said, and get back to that tomorrow. you present alot of things to ponder, and I shall.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7173718 - 07/14/07 03:08 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

DuNeRaVeR, out of curiosity, are you religious?
(Also - all behavior is biologically based, from a certain perspective. Is an exogenously-induced experience (e.g. hallucinogen) really more disingenuous than an endogenously-induced (e.g. meditation) one?)


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    #7173728 - 07/14/07 03:16 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think it is interesting that you say that because all that we experience is perceived in our minds, which is biological makeup. But there is things that we perceive and experience that exist outside of biological and physical and mental reasoning. How can our minds perceive something that doesnt exist? or does exist, but only in 'energy'? how can we perceive something that essentially is impossible to perceive, what chemical and scientific reasoning is there to explain a religious experience? It is impossible, because it eludes scientific reasoning, you cannot 'induce' spiritual experiences, you can't 'capture' it because it eludes, those of you who have experienced this know what I mean... you cannot share or catch the experience to prove to people, it's strange.

I dunno, there is so much more that meets the eye, and i think it's odd to compare it to matter that is just biological if it is something that is in a completely different realm.


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Re: A Meeting with god. [Re: indica]
    #7173764 - 07/14/07 03:44 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

-You're alluding to the inherent futility of trying to quantify experience?


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