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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: yageman]
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That's one of the primary reasons why I made thread...It was a joke on the way people approach THIS plant especially, and how I feel there aren't many serious roundtables on the subject.

A good thing would also be great minds like yourself to lay down some crucial introspection and observation on such a subject I feel is very misunderstood. And Serious.

I approach seriousness with a sense of humour.


I feel it gets the ball rolling easier, at least in my experiences.


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Apollyphelion] * 1
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"My first and last datura experience started with me and 2 friends sitting around at a house deciding to rip off a Datura plant. After finding one and tearing a few flowers off it we sat at mates house and boiled it all up for half an hour and drunk about 3 cups each.

Now I'm a very experienced drug user but what happened next I was totally unprepared for...

At first the only feeling I felt was extreme muscle tiredness and I was almost un-able to stand. Neither could my friends. BANG! I'm at my friend's flat chatting to his flatmate, I say 'I want to go home now'. He says 'you are home'. I say 'I want to go to home where my mum lives'. SHE says 'I am your mum'. BANG! I suddenly realize I am at home, its almost midday. As my memory comes back I remember smoking many invisible cigarettes, thinking my mum and brother were friends of mine, talking to invisible people. Basicly not knowing where, what, how, or why.

I later found out I had been crawling on the floor, where we originally drunk the datura, eating 'bugs' while my friend convulsed and foamed at the mouth. When his straight sister called the ambulance, I lept off the balconey in pursuit of a friend who was actully on the other side of the house. Then my mum was called (by whom I still don't know) and she took me home where I spent hours rolling imaginary joints, snorting imaginary lines, talking to thin air about crap and basically scaring the shit out of my family.

One friend wound up in some bushes with no belt, pants around his knees 'listening' to music. The other was in hospital in a morphine induced coma. He was released the next day. He had been on anti-depressants and that fucked him up.

I can tell you its a very disturbing experience to take a drag on your ciggerate and find out you dont have one.. Or to talk to your brother about himself thinking he's someone else... or having your friends come round to see how you are, having a long chat with them only to realize they are not there. I cannot remember it all as it was only three days ago and I can't operate properly (its taken 2 hrs so far to write this because i cant see).

I do remeber trying to smoke my belt, throwing my cat in the bathtub, thinking my mum was Spike Milligan. The list goes on."

LOL.

I found my new favorite drug trip report drug.


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Apollyphelion]
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Well you might be right about humor in this case. You approach does seem to welcome such geniuses as usefulidiot13.
Anyways.........

I have used datura 3 times. One time it was interesting as hell but too low of a dose.
I used an even lower dose in a batch of ayahuasca.

And then I used it at a higher dose by its self.
The ayahuasca was probably the most rewarding, and the higher dose comes in a close second.

I know for a fact that most people at the very least wouldnt like it.
I also know that some western minds mix VERY BADLY with tropanes.

All of my experiences were actually pretty amazing.
It ranged from dream like thought patterns, to an amazing dmt,maoi, datura mix, all the way to a difficult amount of the stuff, and it was utterly amazing.

On the higher dose by its self, it was like being submerged in the making of a dream. You can play with these structures, and occasionally fool your self.
For these reasons I wouldnt recommend it to anyone, but I can say without a feeling of guilt, that I actually like tropanes.
On a deleriant-like dose, I still have an overmind/undermind that tells me to stay put because I know how powerful this stuff is.

I had a sitter for the last experience, but actually he just was bored watching my ass lay in a recliner all night.

I wont use that plant again, but I sure as hell dont regret it.
My sitter got so bored that he broke a series of simultaneous dreams in half by "waking me up" and asking me to play some guitar.
He wanted me to talk about it.
I could still talk, and he wanted to talk, or hear me play the guitar.

The guitar was the most real part of the experience.
I can play the guitar in dreams, and apparently I can still remember songs I love when on datura.

The after effects were a bit much though.
2 days after was a haze but not too insane.
I felt very tired and lucid. My wits were about me, but I felt very scatterbrained.
I actually loved those 2 days after because I could see what I had seen in the dream most clearly at the time.
I realized that I had fucked with my head a bit, but had been to a place within my mind that is so unnatural feeling and amazing that you just cant experience it in any other way.

I understand its bad rep.
I am an exception to the rule though.

Im not a shaman though I feel I have been to similare places, and have dealt with some similare things, suprizingly....
Go figure, im not the normal westerner, dont take these drugs with any more than one person, and am a weirdo.

I know how a low dose could turn some people into monsters.
I have seen how that can happen. Thats why I dont recommend it unless you know enough about it and think you know your dome well enough to not act the fool and cut your fuckin dick off or some shit.

There is a dose that would drive any person pretty mad for atleast a year, and a dose that would kill almost ANYBODY.
Just dont take that dose.

This is one of the plants that helps me to understand the new "no dose advise" rule here at the shroomery. I know I wouldnt fuck with giving datura dose advise.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: yageman]
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"DOSE : 6 g oral Datura (seeds)

BODY WEIGHT : 135 lb


I can still remember my Datura trip like it was yesterday. As with most of the trips involving Datura I suffer from a short term amnesia of the trip and don't remember all of the details, but here goes. I was with some friend one day heading to a party when they showed me were some Datura plants were growing. There were only 2 flowers left so we uprooted one and I ate the entire thing, stem and all! I don't remember going home that night at all but I woke up the next day at home completely fine. I didn't suffer from the usual vision problems that are usually experienced from this drug and was quite happy I didn't have to suffer these consequences. A friend of mine came over that day with a whole bunch of mature Datura seeds and asked me to help him crush them up. We emptied out half-gram capsules and filled them with the powder fine seeds we had spent the last few hours crushing up (We had a lot of seeds)

Afterwards my friend fed me 4 of these pills. They still hadn't kicked in after 30 minutes, so I took 2 more. That's about three grams I had already taken, but there's more! We mixed up 2 more pills with some spaghetti sauce, at my request, and I had myself a nice big plate. You see I wanted a really good trip, and holy shit did I get it. I don't even remember the pills kicking in but apparently it was at this time that my friend fed me 4 more of these pills! Unfortunately I didn't learn about this for about a year and a half later, no wonder I got so high!

My first memory of my trip is talking to my pepper plant, ketchup bottle and milk jug, only they were human and they were my friends, for a time. Then suddenly they would become inanimate objects. I tried to explain to my friend who was still at my house, 'Whoa dude Dan just turned into a milk jug' After that I went blank for a while, all I remember for a short time was that I kept thinking that all of my friends had started shooting heroine and they needed my help. I wanted to leave. I guess another one of my friends had come over and I didn't notice, but my other friend explained to him why I was acting so weird. I got up to get my shoes on so I could leave, then my asshole friend told me their were scorpions in my shoes. Being in the state I was in I tripped out and suddenly there were scorpions in my shoes.

It took my friends about an hour after that to convince me to put on my shoes and go downtown with him. I have no idea what I did after that, but my friends say that I was too high so they took me home and stuck around. My one friend had to go meet someone else to give seeds to, so he told my other friend not to let me out of his sight. Well eventually nature called and I guess the next day he was using the bathroom and I walked out the door. I remember a bit after this I walked down the street to a friend’s house and tried asking a tree stump for a smoke. I got my smoke which soon afterwards disappeared. Then I tried to get my lighter working, which turned out to be a metal piece from a toilet paper holder. I guess the night before I tore my bathroom apart, and then started to throw up in the toilet for about 6 hours, most of it dry heaving.

I have no memory of this. My friends kept trying to tell me that the people I was talking to weren't there and I had no smoke, and my lighter wasn't a lighter. I got pissed off and left. I thought I saw another friend in his van, only this particular friend doesn't even drive! The 'real' owner of the van came out after about a half hour of talking to my nonexistent friends in the van, and his very large rose bushes. I tried to explain to him that this was my friend's van, 'just ask him', I said, 'He's in the van.' Only, no one was in the van anymore. So after being accused of being a drunk lunatic, I left the man's front lawn swearing away.

I guess I made it home that night somehow, because I remember having hallucinations that their was a dancing creature with mettalic claws on my ceiling. The next day, well night that is (I can't remember the day) I still had the feeling that everyone was on heroine, and I thought I saw my ex girlfriend in the back of a van shooting heroine into her arm. All I could do was shout at the van, 'That better be a clean needle!' The unfortunate thing was the people who actually were in the van got scared and drove away very suddenly. This led me to chasing after this van down the middle of a busy road. All of this time I was talking to my 'friends' about going to a party that night so eventually I made my way there. Their was supposed to be a fight, and about 50 or 60 of us stood on the lawn watching this.

I began to notice that some of my friends had sprouted leaves instead of hair. Oh well. So I reach into my pocket and lo and behold, a pack of smokes and my lighter. I began to hand out smokes to my 'tree friends' which is unfortunate because they were real smokes and they wound up being dropped on the ground along with my lighter. And every time someone went to hand me back a smoke, it tasted like wood. Then my friend was laying down on a couch (barbeque) outside and he began to vomit. so I pushed the couch over and flipped him over so he wouldn't drown. So after a few hours of laughing at me the real owner of the house came out to see what I was doing to his barbeque. 5 minutes later the cops arrested me and took me home I continued to hallucinate, and the next day my vision was fucked.

Overall I loved the disillusioned feelings and euphoria to a point, probably because I don't remember the bad stuff. 4 days is awhile to be high for too but it was fun while it lasted. "

ROFLMAOOOO

"That better be a clean needle!" LOLOLOL


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Helixx]
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Helixx said:
you're kinda dumb.. the only thing this applies to are the questions people ask about datura when they just hear the word drugs and shove things into their mouths. Many people have had bad trips from datura, but there are also people who do not in the least regret their trip and have gained wisdom that they may carry for the rest of their life.


Yeah... I'm kinda dumb alright.

This is a tongue and cheek thread and my post simply reflects that.
I experimented with Datura many years ago and the wisdom it bestowed compels me to warn people of the plant. Basic risk benefit analysis stuff here. I doubt most of the teenagers hoping to secure access to a legal and readily available plant based inebriant will find any legitimate benefit from toying with the Solanaceae family of plants for the purpose of anything profound... (that said... I do smoke cigarettes and like me some tomatoes, but I digress.) You know this is the primary demographic concerned with Datura.

Obviously you are not recommending anyone experiment with a substance which can have severe deleterious effects, both physically and psychologically. I have heard fascinating and entirely unapologetic accounts of huffing petrol, benzene, and other chemical nasties.

I simply can't in good conscience recommend this plant to anyone. However I would not rebuke a well researched decision to utilize the plant for its entheogenic properties.

At no point will you here me tell you my drug is better than your drug... with the exception of C. arabica... which is ten times better than your favorite drug.

Edited by georgeM (07/12/07 07:55 PM)

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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: georgeM]
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another thread on how datura " is the worst drug ever............. "


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Apollyphelion]
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AHhaha

bravo bravo :congrats:


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Stephen]
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Stephen said:
another thread on how datura " is the worst drug ever............. "


I know that everyone on the shroomery is a fucking genius.

Can we please just stop using "on" in the place of "about".

I cant tell you how many people do that, and I might as well say it in a thread where many morons reside.

I mean, "another thread on how datura is the worst drug ever............. ", might also be said in this way--->"another thread about how datura is the worst drug ever........"

I read sometimes...lol, and when I see that, its just hard to read.

Also, I dont trust anyone who writes like that.
I probably learned that shit and applied it in 5th grade.

Id dont trust that you know how to write, so why the hell should I care what you think about datura?

This thread is a joke, so I might as well joke along side yalls and correct this all too common mistake.

Its MUCH worse than a misspelling.
It gives people a hint about how you speak.

It chafes my ass because so many people go on rants like this or make stupid one liners and also talk like that on this site.

I only say this because both stephen and Apollyphelion make that mistake all the time!
Its amazing really.

If I wanted someone who wrote like I did in my fucking middle school diary to give me advise, id be an idiot.

Sorry, this is all just in the spirit of this thread that wont even acknowledge the people who were serious about the subject.

And this does make me laugh at the very least.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (07/12/07 08:38 PM)

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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: yageman]
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So I'd say I accomlished all my goals: You had a laugh, there was some valuable information to be known about the objectivity and subjectivty of datura, and it was all dymaxion.

The road to the goal might've been a little rocky, but that's just me.

So thank you much for the very thoughtful replies and I mean that. An when you say Middler Schooler advice, I also take that as a compliment, because you obviously understood my intention behind the way my list was worded.



This elegant list has created serious tones of useful resonance, from everybody that has participated.

I'd say this thread has been good, and perhaps well needed.


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Apollyphelion]
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Quote:
I'd say this thread has been good, and perhaps well needed.



i agree

Based off of the friends that have done datura and what happened to them.. I can say I'll never touch the shit.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Cracka_X]
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I agree, good list.

I don't like drugs that can kill you that easily.


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Apollyphelion]
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3.You, or no one else is a shaman. Quit foolin youself.



Because ridiculous self-appointed titles make you immune to datura.


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: yageman]
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yageman said:
Stephen said:
another thread on how datura " is the worst drug ever............. "


I know that everyone on the shroomery is a fucking genius.

Can we please just stop using "on" in the place of "about".

I cant tell you how many people do that, and I might as well say it in a thread where many morons reside.

I mean, "another thread on how datura is the worst drug ever............. ", might also be said in this way--->"another thread about how datura is the worst drug ever........"

I read sometimes...lol, and when I see that, its just hard to read.

Also, I dont trust anyone who writes like that.
I probably learned that shit and applied it in 5th grade.

Id dont trust that you know how to write, so why the hell should I care what you think about datura?

This thread is a joke, so I might as well joke along side yalls and correct this all too common mistake.

Its MUCH worse than a misspelling.
It gives people a hint about how you speak.

It chafes my ass because so many people go on rants like this or make stupid one liners and also talk like that on this site.

I only say this because both stephen and Apollyphelion make that mistake all the time!
Its amazing really.

If I wanted someone who wrote like I did in my fucking middle school diary to give me advise, id be an idiot.

Sorry, this is all just in the spirit of this thread that wont even acknowledge the people who were serious about the subject.

And this does make me laugh at the very least.


Yageman, everytime I see a post from you, it's always something negative or rude. Just because I made a small grammatical error doesn't mean I'm a complete moron. I'm sure you are more intelligent than I, as I'm many years younger than you, and why someone would care enough to write a big long post on something so irrelevant to the thread is beyond me.

I stand corrected, thanks.

Now re-read your post, i'm sure you wont find any errors within it...................


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Edited by Stephen (07/13/07 01:36 PM)

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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: yageman]
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I like your posts Yageman because of your obvious intentions of having almost every sentence have a wealth of analytical data that reflects itself within the post and others juxtaposed against it.

Do you think you lack the necessary ammount of colloqiualisms that would make your posts easier to read, and to get into. (However I do not know if one of the intentions included in your posts are written with a specific audience in mind) They are deep posts, don't get me wrong, but they certainly lack depth in the area of communcation that is the average way of posting at the shroomery. The average way of speaking here is sufficient enough to encapsulate everything you want to say, even with using LOLZ, ZOMG, little grammatical errors,jokes and rants. This thread alone is a good example of the egalitarian commune we have here.

Based off many posters post quality here, I believe there are a lot of people on the shroomery who know all the stuff you do, feel the same way you do, just with a very different description and attitude.
You are damn cool, and this thread has been fun, and I still always look foward for whatever advice and experiences you may have to share. But how are you drastically different from anyone else on this site? Those last two sentences did come from the heart, or at least the heart I have on this website.;-)

I also think you know this already, and rather you do not think most of us are retarded, and I think most of it is for your own amusement.
And I also think you enjoy threads like these. But I would like to know what you think.

I do want you to pick apart my thread, as that is what I expect from any Forum worth its salt. But pick apart my intentions, not my grammar or anything else mundane.

Your move. Am I the white Bishop, or Black Bishop? Chess is confusing sometimes.;-)


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Edited by Apollyphelion (07/13/07 01:49 PM)

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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: georgeM]
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I agree, Datura is a very nice name.


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Individual]
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kummitussai said:
:rolleyes:
:topicsucks:



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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Apollyphelion]
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ok all of these people are taking fucking big ass doses. What if you were to take a smaller dose?


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: Apollyphelion]
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b0red5tiff said:
kummitussai said:
:rolleyes:
:topicsucks:




This isn't myspace. We don't need to read lists of your personal beliefs about a subject. Just because you are willing to put something on a high shelf locked in a box so that you can never touch it again doesn't mean the rest of us are willing to do the same. Limit your own life, in your own way, on your own time but don't interfere with mine and don't try to convince me your way should be mine. Your attempt to mask your intolerant and childish behavior by saying its meant to be "humor" is pretty obvious and not fooling anyone. I find it amazing that on a forum about mushrooms and psychedelic experiences that someone would be willing to make the same mistake many societies and governments across the globe have made. Who are any of you to say that no one should ever trip off of Datura? Who are you to judge a plant and its usefulness to the rest of us? Its not your opinion that I have a problem with. Its the manner in which you display it to the rest of us and the way (it seems) that you don't even fully stand behind it. You aren't encouraging thoughtful discussion on the subject, you're not even standing behind you own statements and they way you presented them by playing off any problem someone has as them misinterpreting your humor. Then again maybe this post is just supposed to be humor. Just kidding.


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: TurntableJunky]
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TurntableJunky said:
ok all of these people are taking fucking big ass doses. What if you were to take a smaller dose?


dilated pupils, cottonmouth. slight feeling of confusion.


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Re: 25 Reasons Datura is Bad. [Re: TurntableJunky]
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A SMALL amount of datura is very beneficial in San Pedro brews. And I do mean SMALL I use only the petals of one flower of a plant I have had for yrs and know how wide it can vary between the different parts of the plant and different seasons in alkaloids.Low doses can eliminate nausea and potentiate the cactus brew to incredible hieghts. Too much will cause the opposite with nausea and a very unpleasent lucid confusion.The only sure key is too keep and carefully sample a plant over several yrs, the dose you want is just above threshold so only tiny amounts need be sampled to get there. This is added to the Cimora along with Nicotinia glauca producing a high quality experience that is lucid yet detached enough for analyzing ones visions.
Datura is a medicine not a high. It is not bad unless treated as a high. Mindful use of its medicinal properties is of great use in preparing various psychedelic brews for different intents. This knowlege is gained over yrs of learning from the plants themselves whos chemistry/spirit can impart novel thought patterns into ones psyche often giving rise to new knowledge or an epiphany of some kind.
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