Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   North Spore Injection Grain Bag   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineJSshroom
dont be paranoid, just aware


Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 825
Loc: I love that spore drop
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
spawn bird seed issue
    #7143753 - 07/07/07 09:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well I have made a lot of spawn.  Put it in a big pot.  got some of the seeds out.  rinsed it till it was clear.  Put in on the stove till the water was warm and pretty much let it set for 24 hrs.  When it was ready to go, so I thought :confused:.  I brought it all too a rolling boil and took it outside and dumped it onto a screen.  Turning it to let the steam dry the bird seed.  I followed this procedure 2x.  One for a set of jars and one for 4 spawn bags.  knocked the jars up and laid them on there sides.  They seemed wet so I turned them over.  The spawn bags got around 20cc or whatever I shot in there.  I do not remember.  Well all of it has growth like the birdseed is dry.  It is covering all the birdseed, but it is not forming a mycelial mat.  As if it is not wet enough:confused:.  I have never had to soak anything over 24 hrs given the temp in the house is 74F.  Does anyone have a fix for this.  Should I shoot more LC in there and mix it up trying to get it wet?  There is no contam that I can see, but one bag shot a poof of what looked like steam, but it was days after inoculation, and some of the jars look steamed up on the sides but do not smell bad at all.  None of them do.  just like grain?


--------------------
First Grow No more carpet tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepinkfloydms
!!!!!
Male


Registered: 05/26/04
Posts: 4,470
Loc: City of Dreams
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7143775 - 07/07/07 09:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How long ago did you inocc? If it is too dry you may try and just inject some sterile water and mix it up.


--------------------
Muppet Said:

so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJSshroom
dont be paranoid, just aware


Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 825
Loc: I love that spore drop
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #7144714 - 07/08/07 12:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thats probably what I will do. Well I will just use more LC. does any one have an opinion on the cloudy jars and or the white dust that Possibly came out of the bag. I picked it up and shook it around and it seemed like a scentless white dust came out and disappeared?


--------------------
First Grow No more carpet tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJSshroom
dont be paranoid, just aware


Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 825
Loc: I love that spore drop
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7144728 - 07/08/07 01:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ok so its not my imagination. That spawn bag has a small hole in it. when squeezed the air is blown out and it is like a fine powder. I do not know what the hell to do with it. It seems like a contaminated LC to me but it does not smell or anything so I could be just dry, weak mycelium. RR what do you think? Or should I just dump it all and start over. How should I test to see if the Lc is ok without agar.


--------------------
First Grow No more carpet tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJSshroom
dont be paranoid, just aware


Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 825
Loc: I love that spore drop
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7152646 - 07/09/07 06:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would like a reply so I can avoid this problem in the future


--------------------
First Grow No more carpet tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepinkfloydms
!!!!!
Male


Registered: 05/26/04
Posts: 4,470
Loc: City of Dreams
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7152745 - 07/09/07 06:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Make another jar of LC and inocc it with the other lc and see if it grows ok or not.


--------------------
Muppet Said:

so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCheesekiller
Mad Scientist
Male


Registered: 11/08/04
Posts: 485
Loc: Central NY
Last seen: 1 year, 20 days
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #7152785 - 07/09/07 06:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

I brought it all too a rolling boil and took it outside and dumped it onto a screen.




According to the TEK I use you are supposed to never BOIL THE GRAINS.

Check
it
out


--------------------
Bulk grower with "some" success.

  Cloning Machine 
   
Nice Lids

A few pics of my DT setup

Edited by Cheesekiller (07/09/07 06:31 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJSshroom
dont be paranoid, just aware


Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 825
Loc: I love that spore drop
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: Cheesekiller]
    #7154446 - 07/09/07 11:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4024831/an/0/page/0

this thread implies bringing it to a simmer. Which is what I do I guess there was a little terminology misuse on my point. I keep the water warm and let it do its thing. Then heat it up so it will steam off.

question: if the grain boils but your stirring it so it does not burn on the bottom. Your thread says to trash it? why? what happens.


--------------------
First Grow No more carpet tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBloodhound
Sleeping on thejob
Male


Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 103
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7155153 - 07/10/07 05:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Exploded kernals = no good, I'm not sure why but that's what I was told from Doc's WBS tek: http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek

I'm guessing it's because they lose their water retention ability if they explode, which goes against the purpose of simmering (to force the grains to hold the maximum amount of water it can).

EDIT: You weren't talking about exploded kernals, my bad, but just check your grains to see if there's alot of exploded kernals. From the tek I used above, it said that if there's around 5% of exploded kernals, then it's good to use.

Although I would wait to hear from more experienced members, since I'm just starting out too and could be mistaken.

Edited by Bloodhound (07/10/07 05:32 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJSshroom
dont be paranoid, just aware


Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 825
Loc: I love that spore drop
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: Bloodhound]
    #7156462 - 07/10/07 01:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

O when I bring them to a boil I am stirring them the whole time. It is just to get the water to steam off. There are maybe 1% exploded kernals.


--------------------
First Grow No more carpet tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJSshroom
dont be paranoid, just aware


Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 825
Loc: I love that spore drop
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7158314 - 07/10/07 09:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

it was not an isolated incident with the fog effect. I squeezed that bag and powder sprayed out. I dumped them. I dumped the jars as well, the trash. it looked like throwing some dry concrete in a dumpster. powder came up out of it. I want to know what this stuff is.


--------------------
First Grow No more carpet tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineComfortablyStond
Mr. Lizard
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 239
Loc: Psychedelphia, USA
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7158363 - 07/10/07 09:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

My first thought on your powdery fog would be mold spores. It's happened to me a time or two.

Peace.


--------------------
"It's not a war on drugs. It's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times..." Bill Hicks

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepinkfloydms
!!!!!
Male


Registered: 05/26/04
Posts: 4,470
Loc: City of Dreams
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: Bloodhound]
    #7158441 - 07/10/07 10:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Bloodhound said:
Exploded kernals = no good, I'm not sure why but that's what I was told from Doc's WBS tek: http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek






It causes too many starches to be released for one thing and then your wbs clumps together, and also if I remeber right, too much starche will stall growth.


--------------------
Muppet Said:

so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBloodhound
Sleeping on thejob
Male


Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 103
Last seen: 4 years, 8 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #7159494 - 07/11/07 06:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ah, thanks for the clarification, dude. :thumbup:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJSshroom
dont be paranoid, just aware


Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 825
Loc: I love that spore drop
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: Bloodhound]
    #7160748 - 07/11/07 12:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

right on - with the starch answer. I have used millet spawn with 15% exploded kernals. It was a 50%+ spawn rate so I do not think it slowed anything down.

Mold spores I take from a contaminated LC. I dumped that LC. I do not know how it got contaminated, but I guess unless your working in a box or flow hood you just run the risk. I need to learn agar so I can test it first.


--------------------
First Grow No more carpet tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCheesekiller
Mad Scientist
Male


Registered: 11/08/04
Posts: 485
Loc: Central NY
Last seen: 1 year, 20 days
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7162517 - 07/11/07 07:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I like to take my prints and make brand new syringes each time.  I have never had a contamination problem when I started my grain from a brand new syringe.

LC lasts a while I guess, but I have had great success with making new syringes.

Plus you can put a shit load of spores in and who cares?:grin:

-CK


--------------------
Bulk grower with "some" success.

  Cloning Machine 
   
Nice Lids

A few pics of my DT setup

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJSshroom
dont be paranoid, just aware


Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 825
Loc: I love that spore drop
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: Cheesekiller]
    #7163479 - 07/11/07 10:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I usually only inject a few spores. It would only take 1/8 of a cc to start an LC. Are you working a glove box or flowhood


--------------------
First Grow No more carpet tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCheesekiller
Mad Scientist
Male


Registered: 11/08/04
Posts: 485
Loc: Central NY
Last seen: 1 year, 20 days
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7170338 - 07/13/07 09:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I do it after a lysol on my kitchen table. Guess it just depends how clean you keep your house.

-CK


--------------------
Bulk grower with "some" success.

  Cloning Machine 
   
Nice Lids

A few pics of my DT setup

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblep4kSouL
Animals Are Cool

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 3,666
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7170921 - 07/13/07 12:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

JSshroom said:
Well I have made a lot of spawn.  Put it in a big pot.  got some of the seeds out.  rinsed it till it was clear.  Put in on the stove till the water was warm and pretty much let it set for 24 hrs.  When it was ready to go, so I thought :confused:.  I brought it all too a rolling boil and took it outside and dumped it onto a screen.  Turning it to let the steam dry the bird seed.  I followed this procedure 2x.  One for a set of jars and one for 4 spawn bags.  knocked the jars up and laid them on there sides.  They seemed wet so I turned them over.  The spawn bags got around 20cc or whatever I shot in there.  I do not remember.  Well all of it has growth like the birdseed is dry.  It is covering all the birdseed, but it is not forming a mycelial mat.  As if it is not wet enough:confused:.  I have never had to soak anything over 24 hrs given the temp in the house is 74F.  Does anyone have a fix for this.  Should I shoot more LC in there and mix it up trying to get it wet?  There is no contam that I can see, but one bag shot a poof of what looked like steam, but it was days after inoculation, and some of the jars look steamed up on the sides but do not smell bad at all.  None of them do.  just like grain?




Im lost, this is not how to make an efficient WBS mix.
Follow this tek DO EVERYTHING IT SAYS.
http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek

WBS is great for jars, if your doing spawn bags I recommend a layer of dry vermiculite on the bottom of the bags. WBS can get pretty gross in large quantitys.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCaptainLinger
A Fungus Amongus


Registered: 05/25/07
Posts: 1,756
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
Re: spawn bird seed issue [Re: JSshroom]
    #7171011 - 07/13/07 12:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That's not a great tek, though the pictures are nice. I'll add comments to that effect later today. Simmering introduces starches for no reason. I regularly make 20lb batches of WBS with 0 bacterial contamination, without simmering.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   North Spore Injection Grain Bag   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* First try at preparing bird seed. windex 1,782 11 05/31/02 04:13 PM
by happygrins
* Question in regard to bird seed Hollywood 1,909 7 12/28/01 01:56 PM
by spores
* Wild bird seed?? mesq 5,070 8 03/27/03 09:43 AM
by ExtravagantDream
* how to tell if bird seed isn't good before u use it? MAGICSNOOP 729 3 05/27/03 08:30 PM
by SixTango
* BIRD SEED Psilocybeingzz 1,941 13 07/15/03 10:33 PM
by Snobrdr311
* grain-bird seed XAZIA 784 1 01/10/02 02:49 PM
by ar393
* Bird seed casing? knurd 882 2 05/13/02 10:23 AM
by knurd
* What ratio for bird seed to dung? Numba9 1,309 6 10/29/01 12:15 PM
by Eightball

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, hamloaf, cronicr, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
1,827 topic views. 24 members, 96 guests and 19 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2025 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.