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ChristianTaylor5
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Whats the big deal with proper procedure?
#7159133 - 07/11/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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You know, when I first came to the shroomery all the information was little intimidating. But after sifting through the site and getting down to the fundamentals growing seemed pretty easy. However, when going through others threads a lot of members seemed to talk of it as if it were the hardest thing in the world. What with all the sterilization procedures and exact environment control requirements one would have to go through before having a successful grow.
Now I know a lot of these sterilization techniques and environment requirements need to be implemented when performing some of the more complex tasks involved with mushrooms (i.e. some of the crazy shit RR gets into). But c'mon, when just trying to cultivate it is really easy. At least in my experience.
For example, many members talk of only injecting their jars in glove boxes. I have never had anything contaminate except for one time which was due to my TiT getting a crack in the bottom allowing water to flood into the top tub submerging half my jars in water.
I don't know what kind of filth some people are living in but I had no problem injecting, spawning and harvesting right in my kitchen after a thorough spray of some disinfectant and a little alcohol. Maybe I'm just lucky or have a white thumb.
Don't get me wrong, I also did a lot of research and wouldn't have been able to accomplish anything if it wasn't for the shroomery. Just saying a lot of threads here made me over prepare my first time, as I got progressively lazier I realized a lot of those EXTRA precautions were unnecessary for myself.
Anyway, not trying to go off on a tangent here, just thought it was a little weird how much emphasis people put on this type of thing.
Later.
-CT
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AbyssWP
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: ChristianTaylor5]
#7159221 - 07/11/07 02:20 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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you can inoculate ANYWHERE as long as the air is still. its much easier to obtain still air in a glove box, its even better because you can sanitize the whole thing with a little bleach and alcohol.
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The shroomy 1
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: ChristianTaylor5]
#7159244 - 07/11/07 02:38 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'll speak for myself. I live in a very large city withing Texas. Lots and lots of pollutants. Some days are classified as "Red" Ozone days. On those days they really want you to "Ride share" on your commute to work. I have Two Dalmatians that go outside quite frequently. Lord knows what they bring in on their paws and coat. I work in a restaurant where I'm exposed to raw product, i.e. meat, chicken, and fresh produce. It doesn't matter how many times I may wash my hands. My body is exposed to many many contaminants. I have experienced contaminated jars even using a glove box. Sometimes it seems like if I look at a jar the wrong way it gets contaminated! I've narrowed it down to the point that I will "BOMB" the room with Oust and take a shower right before starting ANYTHING.(Thanks for the idea Hippie Chick). I CANNOT BE TOO CLEAN in my environment. I think there are many many variables associated with having a successful grow. I'm sure that geographical location can be a factor in all of this. You may be one of the lucky ones that live in an area where nasties are few. LUcky You!
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Blutjager
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: The shroomy 1]
#7159260 - 07/11/07 02:48 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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The big deal with proper procedure is ..... IT WORKS
I have seen countless beautiful white jars,as well as quite a few of every other disgusting color(Not to mention smell)
When I fist started cultivating almost nothing would grow,than I got the two magic words,bleach and glovebox,I used them faithfully and almost everything turned out great,I have since (just cause I was testing out some suspicious lc) knocked up jars in open air after giving the tyvek a nice bleach misting and they turned out great,I have also taken casings down to the car to find a suitable place to dump them and forgot about them only to open them to what would end up drying to 9 oz of cracker dry mushrooms
Luck can be on your side sometime,even allot of times but if you consistently ignore sterile procedure and get consistently good results it is only a matter of time till luck runs out and you will have some multi colored jars in your future
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ChristianTaylor5
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: Blutjager]
#7159278 - 07/11/07 03:02 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fair enough. I didn't really think of all those contributing factors. I guess I wont change my laziness until I run into some bad luck though. No real point until my current procedure stops working for me.
Later,
-CT
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AbyssWP
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: ChristianTaylor5]
#7159298 - 07/11/07 03:11 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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no trust me, once you see contams were youd rather see white rhizomorphic mycelium, you will have wished you were more sterile. be as sterile as you can ALWAYS!
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hyphae
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: ChristianTaylor5]
#7159394 - 07/11/07 04:51 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Proper procedure equals consistent success.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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veilbreaker
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: ChristianTaylor5]
#7159496 - 07/11/07 06:08 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess it's just better safe than sorry
I have not used a glove box and have not had a contam yet.
-------------------- People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: veilbreaker]
#7159608 - 07/11/07 06:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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@ ChristianTaylor5 I agree with Dr. Albert Hofmann and you - no need to use a glovebox etc. I don't even wash my hands. If one uses a separate sterile syringe for each jar, then everything is going to be OK. Don't visit Paranoia City... fly to ShroomCity. And most important: Just let them grow. Growing shrooms is as easy as making a cup of tea.
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Neobean
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: ChristianTaylor5]
#7159645 - 07/11/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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ChristianTaylor5 said: Fair enough. I didn't really think of all those contributing factors. I guess I wont change my laziness until I run into some bad luck though. No real point until my current procedure stops working for me.
Later,
-CT
Growing is like playing golf, getting under 100 (growing mushrooms) is relatively easy, but getting down to 70-80 (Getting great yields) requires PROCEDURE and dedication. Read Blutjager's post a few times, it will sink in and you will be better off for it...
-------------------- If y0u want s0meting gr0wn right, y0u g0tta gr0w it y0urself!!!
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xeallos
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: Neobean]
#7159730 - 07/11/07 08:08 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with Dr. Albert Hofmann and you...
Uh, wtf are you talking about? It's one thing to put up your stupid graphics everywhere for your noobish videos but it's quite another to fabricate disingenuous statements from a pioneering scientist as if they had any basis in reality.
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What's the big deal with proper procedure?
What kind of a question is that? Why don't you ask that to anyone who studies anything that requires any rigorous adherence to any routine?
We do things consistently because they provide consistent results. End of logic sequence.
You can toy around all you want but in an environment where education is a consistent goal than standards will naturally be created and fostered to support such a process.
Without these standards everyone who came to this website would give up on the hobby because there would be a bunch of hillbilly backwater teks from god knows who telling you to do god knows what and when the process goes down hill and you ask why nobody will have the slightest idea... hearing things multiple times from multiple people is very reinforcing.
You can do it right, or you can do it twice - it's your decision.
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AtPeace
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7159786 - 07/11/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with Dr. Albert Hofmann
Again with this Dr. Hofmann shit, why do you desecrate his name post??? I show him respect I dont go around saying we are best of friends btw post your interview with him and ill never bring you up again.
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LesChanga
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: AtPeace]
#7159817 - 07/11/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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you may find success with whatever process necessary but poper procedures create optimal conditions and optimal conditions create optimal yeilds, thus proper procedures create optimal yeilds...
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: LesChanga]
#7159833 - 07/11/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Many people drive home from the bar skunk drunk every night and have never killed anybody. Does this mean it's recommended?
Proper procedure ensures the highest rate of success. My advice will never be the easiest, lazy way to do things. It will be the way that leads to the highest return for your investment in time and materials. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
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DocRob
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: xeallos]
#7159859 - 07/11/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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This discussion is sooo stupid. If the guy that does not worry about contaminants would like, PM me and I will do an appendectomy or cosmetic procedure of your choice...as long as we do the procedure in your kitchen. I have a bottle or cyclopropane to knock you out, and I can just use whatever silverware is handy in your home for the actual work.
Get serious. Infection is a crap shoot. The jar that you eventually end up with contamination could contain mucor, for christ's sake. Not only would this probably drop your IQ about 20 points, it might well eat your face off or just kill you.
Ladies and gentlemen, IMO (Not humble either), we are dealing with fungi. We start with a medium that would make a great home for more disease pathogens than I can imagine, completely sterile and ready to be a home to WHATERVER dominates the nutrient. Sloppy procedures are potentially dangerous to the grower and his or her house mates, and rarely could even pose a public health concern.
Cleanliness is next to life. (To correct that 'cleanliness is next to g-d' crap). Most of you are probably too young to remember the days of our parents drenching small childhood scrapes with iodine, peroxide, Mercurochrome etc. This is because every one of our parents knew a person who had lost limbs or lives to infection in the pre-antibiotic days.
Just so, before people started bathing regularly, disease and infection were rampant. This is no coincidence. Being clean fights disease.
IMO, culturing in sterile medium is inherently risky, no matter what you are culturing. I hope your casual flying does not land you in a jar of necrotizing fascitis or MRSA, tuberculosis or whatever.
Nature is NOT benign. Trees fall on people. Earthquakes crush folks. Pathogens torment, and sometimes destroy people. Be as safe as possible, that is my advice. Life is short. Way to short as it is.
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TheyFearTheTruth
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: AtPeace]
#7159984 - 07/11/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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AtPeace said:
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I agree with Dr. Albert Hofmann
Again with this Dr. Hofmann shit, why do you desecrate his name post??? I show him respect I dont go around saying we are best of friends btw post your interview with him and ill never bring you up again.
In the attachment you will find an MP3 sound document where you can hear the original statement from Dr.Albert Hofmann.
Translation: If I would have worked clean... absolute clean, then the LSD would not had the possibility/chance to announce itself . Well... I believe, one may not exaggerate cleanliness ! (..... man darf die Sauberkeit nicht übertreiben = one may not exaggerate cleanliness !)
Since I have been banned, this is my last message to you. They could not take the truth... sorry folks.
Bon Voyage PS. Did not find the sound upload possibility here... is it gone?
Edited by TheyFearTheTruth (07/11/07 09:37 AM)
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TheyFearTheTruth
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: TheyFearTheTruth]
#7160071 - 07/11/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry.... here we go: http://www.myvideo.de/watch/1895498
Translation: If I would have worked clean... absolute clean, then the LSD would not had the possibility/chance to announce itself . Well... I believe, one may not exaggerate cleanliness ! (..... man darf die Sauberkeit nicht übertreiben = one may not exaggerate cleanliness ! )
One feels a bit like in China... where is the right for free expression? Gone? Censured....
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xeallos
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: TheyFearTheTruth]
#7160082 - 07/11/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Since I have been banned, this is my last message to you. They could not take the truth... sorry folks.
Great, because all you did was take his quote out of context and apply it in your disingenuous fashion to this conversation as if it was his gospel word on ideal conditions for mycology studies...
He's speaking about LSD developing as an error in his procedures - much like we are speaking about molds and bacteria developing as a result in error of procedures. These two events do not refute each other as you state, in fact they completely coincide to validate the idea that the more sloppy you are the more fucked up your shit is going to be.
Which is exactly why the logical conclusion to this thought process is entirely polar opposite to what you have come to perceive as truth and justice in the land of ContamCity... where you will now dwell for eternity... with your filthy rat claws... good riddance!
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shagg
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: xeallos]
#7160106 - 07/11/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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AbyssWP
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Re: Whats the big deal with proper procedure? [Re: shagg]
#7161660 - 07/11/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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xeallos , that was too damn funny!!!! lmao
in the land of ContamCity... where you will now dwell for eternity... with your filthy rat claws... good riddance!
yea that pic of his dirty ass hands and under it said "I dont even wash my hands" lol
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