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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: Kinematics]
#7143787 - 07/07/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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No...not right over my head. I saw that you threw in the "Devil's Advocate" phrase in your paragraph. That still doesn't change my opinion of older people who take advantage of younger people who do not understand the gravity of such acts and lifestyle choices.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: rawtoxic]
#7143800 - 07/07/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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rawtoxic said: how is it selfish sexual pleasure when the younger person gets off too (im talking teenagers)?
i agree we need to lower ages to 14 a more reasonable age.
Admittedly, it is difficult to make a line in the sand when a person is mature enough to engage in sexual behavior. Not everybody matures mentally, physically, and emotionally at the same time. Some 15 year olds are very mature. Some 19 year olds are very immature.
But, we're talking about 11 year olds and shit like that. That's not right.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7143894 - 07/07/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: An adult who takes advantage of an emotionally and mentally unformed person to use them for their own selfish sexual pleasure is an emtionally and mentally unformed person.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: Kinematics]
#7144212 - 07/07/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kinematics said: Potheads work out? No way!
I don't smoke pot.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: fireworks_god]
#7144222 - 07/07/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: I get the feeling that millions of the people enjoying these shows identify with the victims/perpetrators instead of the authorities. I quit watching them when I realized that the indignation that they created in me was a provoked and programmed response based on how someone else wanted me to feel. I decided they were a waste of my attention when I found that I approved of the television networks less than I approved of the wannabe child molesters.
I think there is a single word that summarizes this entire phenomenon, and that word is vicarious.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: Silversoul]
#7144232 - 07/07/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kinematics said: Potheads work out? No way!
I don't smoke pot.
Your sense of humor is very keen. 
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: Icelander]
#7146129 - 07/08/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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And Hue is strangely silent.
Alright I will comment further. I think the shows are creating problems where none exist. The offenses involved are artificially generated by appealing to the baser natures of individuals who are already lonely and tending towards some unhealthy dysfunctions. The whole thing is a ratings scam that they justify by creating imaginary criminals who were led on by an adult posing as a teenager. I think that the shows are basically garbage that steal your attention and turn it to money for big corporations. How is that for a reply? I am never "strangely" silent...just silent.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7146138 - 07/08/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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And Hue is strangely silent.
Alright I will comment further. I think the shows are creating problems where none exist. The offenses involved are artificially generated by appealing to the baser natures of individuals who are already lonely and tending towards some unhealthy dysfunctions. The whole thing is a ratings scam that they justify by creating imaginary criminals who were led on by an adult posing as a teenager. I think that the shows are basically garbage that steal your attention and turn it to money for big corporations. How is that for a reply? I am never "strangely" silent...just silent.
That pretty much says it IMO.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7146283 - 07/08/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: Alright I will comment further. I think the shows are creating problems where none exist. The offenses involved are artificially generated by appealing to the baser natures of individuals who are already lonely and tending towards some unhealthy dysfunctions. The whole thing is a ratings scam that they justify by creating imaginary criminals who were led on by an adult posing as a teenager. I think that the shows are basically garbage that steal your attention and turn it to money for big corporations. How is that for a reply? I am never "strangely" silent...just silent.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: fireworks_god]
#7146811 - 07/08/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was thinking about this thread today, and then I thought back to that girl in high school. Everybody has atleast that one girl in high school, who since she was 14 has aspired (consciously or subconsciously) to become a porn star. The girl at my high school, was named Desiree, and at the tender age of 15, she took on 11 guys (age 14-16) over the course of one night... and was proud of it. She wasnt ashamed, and didnt care that her nick name was Desitrain. Kids are getting kinky at younger and younger ages.
I have come to the conclusion that almost every single person has had a sexual experience by the time they reach 10. Be it being molested by their uncle, or playing doctor with their friend. Now, if we can all agree on that fact, what is the true discrepency here? it isnt that we are against children exploring their own and anothers body, but that we want it to be learned the hard way, rather than have an older experienced person show you a few tricks. i can only imagine that if a 20+ female had molested me when I was 10-13, it would have been a very pleasurable experience, as opposed to the akward and embarrassing moments I had with the girl next door.
it seems like we almost limit our children to finding these things out in some dark closet until they have been conditioned enough by akward moments, the media, other kids, and their parents to feel ashamed of having sexual pleasure.
I also think a lot of it has to do with the value that we conditioned females to place on their virginity. in america, women view it as losing their virginity, instead of gaining their womanhood.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7148969 - 07/08/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is the stupidest and most ignorant thing I have ever read.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: Kinematics]
#7148995 - 07/08/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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there are non western cultures where sex with the underaged is acceptable.
Oh great... play the moral relativism card. "Well gee, it is acceptable in Yanamano culture to attack a neighboring tribe and rape all the women. I guess it must be OK."
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The fact that we consider pedophiles sickos is merely a circumstance of social taboo.
Would you consider murder to be just a social taboo?
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Compassion, is what people need.
How about some compassion for the girls (and boys) that lives could be devastated due to a sexual predator? Why exactly do we need to have compassion for some selfish, thoughtless scumbag preying on the weak?
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MushmanTheManic said: That is the stupidest and most ignorant thing I have ever read.
strong words from someone who uses words like "Stupidest".
Have you thought about what exactly is emotionally devastating for someone who was molested at a young age? do you really think that the act itself is the biggest factor? ever thought that it could be the way our society handles such a thing? public outcry, shock , outrage, disgust.... keep that shameful and embarrasing secret hidden. Why do you think so many people get away with it?
Im not trying to say that it is good or bad, but seriously try to look at it without your knee jerk reaction of disgust, because it is just conditioning.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7150556 - 07/09/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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What's wrong with "stupidest"?
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7150944 - 07/09/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have you thought about what exactly is emotionally devastating for someone who was molested at a young age? do you really think that the act itself is the biggest factor?
Umm... yes.
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ever thought that it could be the way our society handles such a thing? public outcry, shock , outrage, disgust.... keep that shameful and embarrasing secret hidden.
The trauma experienced among victims of sexual assault does not vary across cultures.
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Why do you think so many people get away with it?
It is easy to get away with. Many victims, especially adolescents, never report their sexual abuse until months or years later. At that point, convicting someone of sexual assault is impossible. Even if a person does report their sexual abuse immediately after it happens, only ten percent of the victimizers will be convicted and most will not even be arrested.
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Im not trying to say that it is good or bad, but seriously try to look at it without your knee jerk reaction of disgust, because it is just conditioning.
I've been "looking at it" for quite a long time.
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It might be useful to distinguish between non-consensual sexual contact and consensual sexual contact. Sexual assault is traumatic at any age, and is NOT the same thing as mutually-desired sex play.
When these men came to the home of these pseudo-teens (yes, they pretend to be between 13 and 15 years old, not children), they had received communication which led them to believe that sexual contact was mutually desired. Some of them may have had some darker impulses (like the man with the car full of guns ), but barring that--what exactly is so traumatic about mutually-desired sex between an adult and a teenager?
Let's draw a line between "child molester/rapist" and "statutory rapist," because they are not at all the same thing.
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: Veritas]
#7152130 - 07/09/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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From what I gather this show is just another way to cause fear into Americans. It is another way of showing what is normal and crazy, and how crazy people have absolutely nothing to do with the cultural beliefs of the society that they live in, rather their expression of truth, such as those who enjoy such thoughts, are merely crazy lunatics who's beliefs have been generated in and of themselves, with no bearing on the cultural teachings on sex and the self.
In this, these problems are sure to reproduce themselves, in ever more increasing numbers and even different factions of the same challenge that faces our world; we simply cannot love and accept each other unconditionally. The reason I bring love into this is simple, fear distorts reality. The reality being that these people have intrusive ideas which are of a different nature and have no one to confront those ideas with other than themselves, if they have the desire to do so. These ideas can come in dreams and from dreams distort what is reality.
The problem is that their reality is so distorted from fear that they isolate themselves, much like the show was isolating these people, instead of talking to them like people who were once oblivious to sex and were by all means influenced highly by a society that has a very destructive idea of sex as being indecent not sacred. I’m sure there would still be some people who resort to this type of behavior, for our world is imperfect, but as soon as there is no acceptance towards it, those who may be confronted by the reality of rape, molestation and the like, find no where to vent and bottle up their emotions until they become volatile. To exemplify, I was watching a show on molestation and how these two people being molested by their father at a young age, grow up to be afraid of being within a room with a child. They both fear that they will molest the child, in basic ness, lose control of themselves. What struck me as a possibility that they seemed to have not done this act yet, is that they had each other to talk about their intrusive conditioned thoughts and were thus capable of resisting the actualization of the act, out of a moral desire, in truth. I’m sure somewhere along the lines though, one of them slipped and caved in. But the message was clear, they fear doing this and it makes it that much harder not to because of their fear that they will be outcasted from society, as some crazed lunatic. If these problems are to be stopped they must be done at the source, the mind, the thoughts of our collective culture and the effects it has on individuals. I know I have sexual challenges to overcome, as to many people I know. I am embarrassed in public if I were to be naked. Also, I have had dreams where I partake in sexual activities with family members, involving oddly alcohol.
Speaking from within, it was loved that saved me from going further into this fantasy and gave me the courage to not be afraid of actually being around these members of my family. This intern showed me that this was not what I really wanted and life went on as usual. In my eyes, this is a form of this sexual perversion that I did not want to occur but does. Just cuz others are challenged by a form of it that seems to be to a greater degree and has like most people I know, no idea that he/she can love themselves unconditionally, does not mean the person should be discarded and undignified from our society, as if the individual were some insane anomaly that our 'modern' world did nothing to create. This will do nothing for the future victims of rape, who will be affected by our inability to take collective responsibility for these people and attend to the real issue, a lacking of unconditional love for them and thus the responsibility and courage to do something that will actually stop the problem by preventing it, instead of stopping it when it already occurred.
Side note: in no way am i saying we should let people who rape others free to roam our world from victim to victim, also in no way am i saying we should simply put them in jail. Love for All, Amigos! JLM
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Re: 'To Catch A Predator' TV expose [Re: Veritas]
#7152316 - 07/09/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Veritas said: It might be useful to distinguish between non-consensual sexual contact and consensual sexual contact. Sexual assault is traumatic at any age, and is NOT the same thing as mutually-desired sex play.
When these men came to the home of these pseudo-teens (yes, they pretend to be between 13 and 15 years old, not children), they had received communication which led them to believe that sexual contact was mutually desired. Some of them may have had some darker impulses (like the man with the car full of guns ), but barring that--what exactly is so traumatic about mutually-desired sex between an adult and a teenager?
Let's draw a line between "child molester/rapist" and "statutory rapist," because they are not at all the same thing.
exactly.
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