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Where to next? (After my first attemp)
    #7152067 - 07/09/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Hi, ive recently grown my own shrooms using the BRF and verm mix.
Can any one push me in the right direction to go now?

My mushrooms turned out fine but were lacking in abundance and size

Should i start with the brf or ...?

If anyone can share there experiences of the best way to grow mushrooms it would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: meathead2k2]
    #7152084 - 07/09/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

did you dunk and roll??? any reason why they didnt fruit as much as you wanted??

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: meathead2k2]
    #7152085 - 07/09/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I would do cakes another time or two. also try making a LC.

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attempt) [Re: meathead2k2]
    #7152126 - 07/09/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I would case my next grow. I cased my first grow ever and came out with pretty good results. Do some reading about it by using the search engine.

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attempt) [Re: euphoricpoison]
    #7152226 - 07/09/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Casing can be labor intensive. I would do PF tek until you've mastered the paripherals such as climate control, print making, and agar culturing. then when youv picked up new skills, apply them to casings on whatever scale you like.

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attempt) [Re: moon_glue]
    #7152251 - 07/09/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

casing is so easy and is far less "labor intensive" then the pf tek itself,

lol agar culturing is far more labor intensive then casing is by 10 times

make some more cakes, break them up and case them

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attempt) [Re: meathead2k2]
    #7152280 - 07/09/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Or go to grain and spawn it to more nutrient substrates, like poo/straw and such.


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Re: Where to next? (After my first attempt) [Re: moon_glue]
    #7155867 - 07/10/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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moon_glue said:
...PF tek until you've mastered...climate control, print making, and agar culturing




I want to emphasize climate control and good FAE because you said your first cake wasn't the greatest fruiter. Look at other people's pictures of good cakes; you'll find you can learn much more from just having a solid flushing cake than fumbling through a new concept.

It's also my opinion that bulk techniques won't be worthwhile until you learn agar culturing because of the constancy that one looks for in those techniques.

Strive for a good biological efficiency on BRF cakes (sticking to half-pints for PFs)

If you need more fruits, buy more jars.






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Re: Where to next? (After my first attempt) [Re: psycho_bin_farma]
    #7155971 - 07/10/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

those look like some killer cakes


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Re: Where to next? (After my first attempt) [Re: boomer q]
    #7156175 - 07/10/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

yeah man nice cakes. i saw thoes on RR's video :thumbup:

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attempt) [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #7156196 - 07/10/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

niccce fuckin cakes


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Re: Where to next? (After my first attempt) [Re: shagg]
    #7156213 - 07/10/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I disagree with anyone who says keep going with cakes, if you've done one cake grow and fruited mushrooms there's no reason to keep practicing it. BRF cakes are a waste of time unless you just want a few mushrooms to have for yourself.

If you want bigger yields and bigger mushrooms start reading about grains and bulk substrates. Grains are infinitely easier then BRF cakes and if you're hand are able to mix grain and poo around in a tub then you can do bulk substrates. Despite what a lot of people say, grains and bulk substrates are EASY, the amount of "extra work" is minimal and quite frankly dead simple.

Personally i think the PF tek is pointless unless you're one of the few people who refuse or are unable to buy a pressure cooker. Grains will always be easier to deal with, no ratios to worry about, quicker colonization rates on average, they offer you 4 times as much spawn then a 1/2 pt jar, and when used with bulk susbtstrates can produce up to twenty times as many mushrooms as your average BRF cake.

In short, fuck PF, go with grains and poo, and you'll never look back.


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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: meathead2k2]
    #7156219 - 07/10/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

monotub. IMHO it's the easiest and least labor intensive way to get good results. Especially with coir; Easy to manage, easy to handle, and the ingredients are easily accessible anywhere.

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: coda]
    #7156231 - 07/10/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

What would you reccommend starting with in terms of a casing layer.

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: KingPins]
    #7156238 - 07/10/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

vermiculite and peat, easy to work with and find, cheap, and the combination is the best IMO. Straight verm tends to compact to easily and straight peat has always ended up to acidic (i rarely use a buffer because i usually don't fruit my trays more then two flushes) and gets hit with trick. i usually use a 50/50 or 60/40 ratio of verm/peat.


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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: Primate]
    #7156281 - 07/10/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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monotub.




Yea, I'd skip casings and go straight to monotub for bulk. It's the same concept with more surface area.

Akira's monotub tek with bulk pasteurization seems to be the best I've seen.

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: psycho_bin_farma]
    #7156297 - 07/10/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Keep in mind that when you use the monotub tek that you need to be meticulous in how you create the fruiting chamber. Too many holes or holes in the wrong place will not allow the RH to rise. To little will cause over humidification which can lead to soggy casings, poor air circulation, and ultimately a nice case of trich.


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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: coda]
    #7156345 - 07/10/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks alot for all your input ... I think i will stick with the cakes for a few more trys. If i can get them like the cakes ^ up there then it would be great becuase mine probably didnt fruit as much through 3 flushes than his has in one flush. Do you think im doing something rong?


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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: meathead2k2]
    #7156355 - 07/10/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

No, cakes generally perform very poorly and erratic compared to casing. While you can get some pretty looking flushes from cakes, most only produce a handful of small mushrooms at best. With an average of 3-5 grams per cake you're not going to see many monster flushes.


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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: coda]
    #7156509 - 07/10/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

IMO the easiest casing is MGMC. Pasteurize it in jars on the stove, cool, and case; Doesn't get any easier. I also like to add a bit of calcium carbonate, but alot of people have success without PH buffering MGMC.

About what someone said about the holes with a monotub. i have found it to be rather forgiving. I've used many different hole configurations; All successfully. i usually use 8-10 3/4inch holes at varying heights on the tub. Every tub I've done has fruited beautifully(well the first one i did fruited so so; But that was because of questionable spawn.)

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: Primate]
    #7156670 - 07/10/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

If you have a pressure cooker availible, why not try a couple WBS/Rye/popcorn/Whatever you want jars along with continuing with some BRF cakes for the next grow. That way you can almost be certain of some sucess with your experience with BRF as well as taking on something new at the same time. I am in the midst of my first grow and i tried multiple methods i.e. Spawned a couple cakes, crumbled a couple and cased them, spawned a couple to some pillow case pasturized straw and cased, its all going pretty well. Experiment, see what you like the best.

I dont have a pressure cooker so i plan to continue with another BRF grow, but when i do get one, ill branch out to some grains, more bulk maybe mixing substrates like coffee, coir, straw poo, i may try a liquid culture. Just try it all man theres so many successful methods and so much to learn about each.

Good luck

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: seo82087]
    #7156696 - 07/10/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

just chop up a brf cake and spawn to serval pounds of horse manure that will get you some good yields.


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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #7157000 - 07/10/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

yeah if you have the space to do pf tek plus other trials, defintly do that. you'l learn alot by experimenting. im doing half filled quart jars of popcorn to experiment with in vitro just for kicks. ive done casings but i suggest many small ones instead of one big one, that way if you loose one to contam you dont loose so much material.

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Re: Where to next? (After my first attemp) [Re: coda]
    #7157109 - 07/10/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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No, cakes generally perform very poorly and erratic compared to casing. While you can get some pretty looking flushes from cakes, most only produce a handful of small mushrooms at best. With an average of 3-5 grams per cake you're not going to see many monster flushes.




is that 3-5 dry grams?

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