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The Problem With Frozen Souls
    #7145464 - 07/08/07 07:31 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

A few years ago physician Peter Safar conducted a remarkable experiment. He froze a live dog down to liquid nitrogen temperature and kept it at that temperature for three hours.

During those three hours the dog was clinically dead. There was no respiration, no heartbeat, no electrical activity in the brain, nothing. The dog was dead.

Afterward, Dr. Safer thawed and resuscitated the dog. When the dog woke up, it appeared perfectly normal. It ran around, wagged its tail, and even recognized its handlers and retained all its other memories.

So I'm left wondering where the soul goes when the body is frozen and clinically dead? Apparently it's not set free because thawed dogs retain memories of their owners and express affection toward them.

Similar results have occurred when kids fall through ice and drown in frozen lakes. In some cases, hours pass before the kid is rescued and taken to a hospital in a clinically dead state, then resuscitated.

The results of this experiment seem incompatible with the existence of the soul.

What do you think?


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Re: The Problem With Frozen Souls [Re: Diploid]
    #7145472 - 07/08/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I think that  "soul" is a collective concept, and is not restricted to the individualization of physicality.

IMHO, all your example shows is that our memories are not our soul... and I agree with that completely. :smile:


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Re: The Problem With Frozen Souls [Re: Diploid]
    #7146371 - 07/08/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Diploid said:
A few years ago physician Peter Safar conducted a remarkable experiment. He froze a live dog down to liquid nitrogen temperature and kept it at that temperature for three hours.

During those three hours the dog was clinically dead. There was no respiration, no heartbeat, no electrical activity in the brain, nothing. The dog was as dead.

Afterward, Dr. Safer thawed and resuscitated the dog. When the dog woke up, it appeared perfectly normal. It ran around, wagged its tail, and even recognized its handlers and retained all its other memories.

So I'm left wondering where the soul goes when the body is frozen and clinically dead? Apparently it's not set free because thawed dogs retain memories of their owners and express affection toward them.

Similar results have occurred when kids fall through ice and drown in frozen lakes. In some cases, hours pass before the kid is rescued and taken to a hospital in a clinically dead state, then resuscitated.

The results of this experiment seem incompatible with the existence of the soul.

What do you think?




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Re: The Problem With Frozen Souls [Re: Diploid]
    #7146491 - 07/08/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I think that it was not an experiment to determine the existence of the soul, and to quote it as such a study is misinformation. It was a medical study. The soul is irrelevant to it.


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Re: The Problem With Frozen Souls [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7146719 - 07/08/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with Hue here. I dont see how it has anything to do with the soul.

How is a frozen carcass make it easier to observe the soul than in a non-frozen person?

why not just ask this same question regarding coma patients? vegetables?

But this isnt anything new.... I mean, arent there some frogs that do this very same thing. They become frozen as a hibernation mechanism and thaw out later.


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Re: The Problem With Frozen Souls [Re: Diploid]
    #7147116 - 07/08/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

So he turned a dog into a 'pup-sicle'? :rofl:


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Re: The Problem With Frozen Souls [Re: Diploid]
    #7147627 - 07/08/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Nope. Definitely no soul or self to be found :smile:


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Re: The Problem With Frozen Souls [Re: Diploid]
    #7150403 - 07/09/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Actually I am working on a novel, which includes this subject.
Only this: in the far future, humans will do this, to capture their souls away from eternity :grin:
In my story 'terrorists' will capture these 'important' humans, and freez them, to steal their souls away from the final apocalypse, as it only can start, when all those 'called/selected' souls have gathered aroud the throne of 'G*D' :lol:
(Damned, I am working on this for 12 years now, it never will end, so feel free to use that idea, anyone)


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Re: The Problem With Frozen Souls [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7150419 - 07/09/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
why not just ask this same question regarding coma patients? vegetables?




Because coma patients and veggies are technically ALIVE. If you stop the machines, they die.

The answer is simply there is no 'soul'... It's a magical belief that leads to other more dangerous magical beliefs that eventually lead to war and suicide bombers.

We are smart monkeys who die and rot like everything else. Sorry if that's scary, but it seems to be the way it is, always was and sadly, always will be.

:shrug:


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Re: The Problem With Frozen Souls [Re: Diploid]
    #7150453 - 07/09/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

> So I'm left wondering where the soul goes when the body is frozen and clinically dead?

Kind of like asking where does the TV picture go when the TV is turned off...


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