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religion vs. games
    #7138006 - 07/06/07 05:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i come up with the weirdest things when I'm having a shit. just sitting there, pushing out my internal filth, i realized that religion and computer games have, on some level, the same influence on people.

first thought came about violence. media says computer games have bad influence on people but if you think about it, it has bad influence on stupid people that don't really think through what they are doing. a computer game will tell that person that killing is alright and because of that, that person will lose touch with the morals and values of our everyday living. he starts using a gun as if you can load a game and start over.

but what is religion telling? first of all, i want to say that smart religious people are great... but again.. the stupid people that don't think things through.. they will read the bible of any other religious book and choose to believe the stuff that will fill their needs. through companionship and shortsighted movements that person will think that everyone is supporting his views. the person will loose touch of the whole of his surroundings and will start to live in his own world, justifying everything he thinks. he can start shooting people and it will be just or gods will. and bringing the aspect of the afterlife with it... you can reload any game...


before i get attacked by this or people saying this is just stupid babbling.... correct they are. this was just a random thought that entered my mind when i was taking a dump.... but i was interested in what all your minds would think of this idea...


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Phrenic]
    #7138049 - 07/06/07 06:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

To add to bill hicks: If T.V. is like taking spray paint to your third eye, then video games remove it altogether.

I mean, some games are good, great even, and I look at some games as works of art (Especially most games by Shigeru Miyamoto) but like religion, they stop you from being truly independant in terms of thinking.

I have friends that play video games seriosly, and I can never hold a truly deep conversation with them for more than 30 minutes without one of them saying they are sick of talking about it. Its kinda sad.


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7138078 - 07/06/07 06:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I have friends that play video games seriosly, and I can never hold a truly deep conversation with them for more than 30 minutes without one of them saying they are sick of talking about it. Its kinda sad.




it's actually interesting you say that:

try to have a conversation with a gamer or with a religious person. they are unable to take a step away from their own reality and will every time come back to their subject of control. religion and games both give some grip to these people... something they understand..


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Phrenic]
    #7138092 - 07/06/07 06:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think it poses a good argument actually, I mean i have been an Avid gamer for 14 years now and i have to say in all the years i never once thought it would be a great idea to go out and find a real m16 dress up in camo gear and infiltrate my suburban neighbourhood or a school for that matter. I think the media just takes things to far - remember they only print what sells. 9 times out of 10 a shooting is pre meditated. Take columbine for example. I think marylin manson answered the situation best when asked about it in an interview after the shooting the reporter said "If you could say anything to the shooters, what would you have said?" Manson replied in the most obvious and most understanding why without judgement, "I wouldnt talked to them about any thing, I would have listened because obviously this hasn't occured." I mean the reality of the situation are many factors - depression, exclusion, bullying, unfaithfulness, etc. When it comes down to it there is always a reason as to why someone felt the need to take things thus far and i'm sure that computer games have nothing to do with it. If someones only excuse for mameing or murdering a person/s is because i'm so rapped up in video games then that person has a mental disorder - if they think its justifyable because they do it in a computer game - why not contine you to do it in a computer game.

I tend to think alot of discussion could arise from this thread - lets wait and see what others have to say.

In relation to the religion side of things - I have never been 'religious' i am a spiritual person that believes in existence after the fact wheather that be total re-obsorption or some kind of better place. But in some way i do believe your point is more valid that people that kill/mame because there religion tells them too are highly deluded/brainwashed whatever you want to call it. At the end of the day most religions are based on very similar principles Satansism and Christianity are very similar for example however people that Kill on behalf of god, i dont understand why they feel this is right .. no.... why they 'believe' this is right. From my understanding their are a few gods that the muslims pray too not just Allah, Perhaps someone here is muslim and can shed some more light as to why so many of them believe that the western world is unpure ?

Please no religious racism here guys if someone comes forward to shed more information - treat them with respect.At the end of the day we are all people too.

**Cant wait to hear your critique and or opions ..


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: cognitiveshift]
    #7138161 - 07/06/07 06:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

try to have a conversation with a gamer or with a religious person. they are unable to take a step away from their own reality and will every time come back to their subject of control. religion and games both give some grip to these people... something they understand..

I couldnt dissagree more - whilst i do agree that this is the case in MOST cases its not the case in all of them. Me and all my friends are typical 'gamerz' i probably game for around 27hrs a week and i have to say that when im off my pc - im not thinking about it, me and the mates leave the game world to the pc's we talk over skype about that sort of thing but very rarely in person especially considering where all trekking out into the woods to play skirmish or get trippy or watever else . I think everything is about moderation no matter what topic your refering too - if you dont pull yourself away from that subject matter whether it be Computer Games, Religion, Science, Sport, Or Just being a pure socialite of course you will always refer to those types of subjects and things related to them because that is where your interest lies and 9 times out of 10 people are friends with other people that share similar interests.


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: cognitiveshift]
    #7141034 - 07/07/07 06:33 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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try to have a conversation with a gamer or with a religious person. they are unable to take a step away from their own reality and will every time come back to their subject of control. religion and games both give some grip to these people... something they understand..

I couldnt dissagree more - whilst i do agree that this is the case in MOST cases its not the case in all of them. Me and all my friends are typical 'gamerz' i probably game for around 27hrs a week and i have to say that when im off my pc - im not thinking about it, me and the mates leave the game world to the pc's we talk over skype about that sort of thing but very rarely in person especially considering where all trekking out into the woods to play skirmish or get trippy or watever else . I think everything is about moderation no matter what topic your refering too - if you dont pull yourself away from that subject matter whether it be Computer Games, Religion, Science, Sport, Or Just being a pure socialite of course you will always refer to those types of subjects and things related to them because that is where your interest lies and 9 times out of 10 people are friends with other people that share similar interests.




i've been a gamer myself, spending at least 4 to 6 hours a day on gaming. and correct, as soon as i was away from my computer i wouldn't talk about games, applications or other computer stuff. i left my computer because i didn't wanna think about that anymore.

i'm not trying to build up a deep truthfull conversation here. i'm trying to see if it's fair for the media to say that games are bad, while religion has the same kind of influence on people. of course, games don't make all people kill everyone, nor does religion. but some people do get influenced. and i think that those people would be influenced by religion in the same way as they would be influenced by games.

p.s. i have many people in my family who are religious and you wouldn't even notice they are. they never really tal about it. only moment you would notice is when they pray before starting dinner.
my arguments are generalizating and you should take them with a grain of salt.......or maybe a bucket of salt


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7141282 - 07/07/07 09:32 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Just because a person plays games doesn't mean they lack depth, dude. That isn't even stereotyping, it's just an ignorant statement. Games are Nothing like religion; they do Not stop you from being "truly independent in terms of thinking." I'm not even going to say anything more, because your point is very obviously flawed.


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Phrenic]
    #7141350 - 07/07/07 10:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I wrote this a while back:

I have always had an ardent disdain for most religious people. I think that if someone is choosing to devote their life to something as profound and all-encompassing as a belief in a supernatural power (and the important realizations that come along with this) then they should have a sharp intellect and they should be completely cognizant of the gravity of what they are doing. Every once in a while I will come into contact with a religious person who has a powerful mind and a great understanding of his beliefs. But, more often than not I encounter religious people who are too stupid to think things through for themselves, who half-heartedly practice their faith only to avoid supernatural punishment or because it is all they have ever known, or who are too weak and scared to face the harsh realities of the world so they putridly and obsequiously grovel before a system of thought that has conveniently laid a path out for them. It seems that to think for one’s self is much too arduous for most people.


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Phrenic]
    #7141360 - 07/07/07 10:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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i've been a gamer myself, spending at least 4 to 6 hours a day on gaming. and correct, as soon as i was away from my computer i wouldn't talk about games





not all gamers are like that though, same with religious nuts, I know a few of
each, my brother for instance, from the time he gets home from work he's on a
game called entropia, he plays about 6 hrs a day, weekends he wont emerge from
his room... except to poop, eat or swipe my weed.

when he's at work, he tells everyone about entropia, what he does, how it will
make him money, about th other suckers that play it, he'll even interupt you
giving him instruction relating to his job just to tell you about his game.
he cant understand that most people have no interest in his game, what they
have taken an interest in is the amount of money he's dumped into it to 'make
money', $100/week (sometimes more, sometimes less) since september.... a low
estimate is $3500, he has allegedly made $1300 in profit, this profit omits
the initial payout leaving him more than $2000 in the red. he's saving his
in-game money to buy an island or a space station, that way he can make the
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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7141381 - 07/07/07 10:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like he's been scammed.


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7141391 - 07/07/07 10:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

cant tell him that, I've asked how many people he's known that have gotten money out of the game, he mentioned this one guy that cashed out and quit, I said,
"have you talked to him since?", no, "then how do you know he actually got anything from the game?"

I have a firm belief that he's functionally retarded


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7141397 - 07/07/07 10:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Holy shit. This game is nothing but an online casino-scam basically. Check this out:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/04/179-668-spent-on-trio-of-entropia-virtual-properties/

Read the post by John.


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7141469 - 07/07/07 11:29 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I've pointed most of this (in johns post) to him, you know how things go with scams and idiots...


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7141497 - 07/07/07 11:37 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Did you see the part where there is a program that checks to see what your spending habits are? If you are starting to not pump as much money into the game (because you're getting frustrated by the lack of making money back) then they throw a few bones out at you (a special expensive item on a monster, etc...).

This is even better than casino gambling...because this program can monitor what you're doing and guage exactly the best time to throw a bone at you to keep you interested.

Total fucking scam. Wow. How is this legal?


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Phrenic]
    #7141757 - 07/07/07 01:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Psychologists are working for the enemy! Run to the hills!


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7141814 - 07/07/07 01:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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How is this legal?




because they're based out sweden, the game announces big winners and shit
constantly, he's always bringing up Hall of Fame and some other bullshit high
score thing, the chat box is also a scroll bar for all kinds of scores, it's
the flashing lights, bells and buzzers you'd get in a casino... the lure of
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Re: religion vs. games [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7141899 - 07/07/07 02:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

RandallFlag,Do you think in the same vain as an "alcoholic addiction" gamers will be treated in the same fashion? Especially MMORPG gamers?


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7141910 - 07/07/07 02:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I really do think that MMORPG's are as addictive as physical substances such as heroin or crack.


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Phrenic]
    #7142000 - 07/07/07 02:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Religion always caused dangerous behaviour in stupid individuals, whereas games only had that effect recently. You didn't see anyone play Donkey Kong then go to the Zoo to kill crocodiles, did you? Ever see any kids in dungarees and a red hat jumping on people's heads to kill them? If the world was frozen in the early 1990s we wouldn't be having this problem.


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Re: religion vs. games [Re: Phrenic]
    #7145442 - 07/08/07 09:10 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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deadendeavor said:
Just because a person plays games doesn't mean they lack depth, dude. That isn't even stereotyping, it's just an ignorant statement. Games are Nothing like religion; they do Not stop you from being "truly independent in terms of thinking." I'm not even going to say anything more, because your point is very obviously flawed.




first of all, i have no statement or point. I'm just saying something to provoke thoughts and ideas. also, at no point i said that people that play games lack depth. I'm just trying to see if other people can find similarities between the 2 like i did.

i shall quote myself so you see i never really made any serious statements.
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Schiz said:before i get attacked by this or people saying this is just stupid babbling.... correct they are. this was just a random thought that entered my mind when i was taking a dump.... but i was interested in what all your minds would think of this idea...




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