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poopsmith88
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Concerns with incubation
#7117668 - 07/02/07 02:02 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is my first time, so I'm not sure how everything is supposed to look and getting a bit concerned.
First off, I'm using BRF cakes made from 1/2 pint jars. I inoculated each jar in 4 equally spaced holes; I am not using tyvek or anything to filter out contaminants, I believe that the dry layer of verm will keep out most unwanted things; also, I've read that keeping the holes open allows for FAE, which helps mycelium growth/development.
My first concern is that most of the cakes are colonizing unevenly. For whatever reason, not all of the inoculation sites in the jars colonized, so only halves of the jar are colonized. Is this something I should worry about, or will it just prolong 100% colonization and work itself out?
Another concern is that I grinded my own BRF from brown rice in a blender, but I left it more on the chunky side. I feel like this created uneven pockets of air, some of which are larger than others. Will the mycelium eventually fill in these holes and create a cohesive, resilient cake? I don't want to rinse off my cakes only to have them fall apart in my hand. On a related note, I read from the old PFtek that touching any part of a colonized cake will cause that area to not fruit, is that true? Because I've seen many pictures of people handling cakes and videos of RR handling them for dunks.
I'm also concerned about one of my other jars which has been very aggressive with its colonization. From what I can see, it looks like it is growing past the dry verm layer and worming its way to the top. It doesn't look like it's actually colonizing the dry verm though. Is this something to be concerned with?
My last concern is that after I first inoculated the jars, I put then in a box and put it in my attic where it was fairly hot, around 84-87 degrees fahrenheit. I kept them up there for 3-4 days or so and was concerned that it was getting too hot up there so I moved it downstairs into my closet. They spent another 4-5 days before I put a thermometer in there and found it that it gets fairly cold inside my closet, around 70-72 degrees, so I took them out of there and placed them in my room where it ranges from 75-79 degrees.
My question is should I be worried about the effects of incubating them from hot->cold->hot? Will this affect how the mycelium develops and how the cakes pin and the how good the flourishes will be?
I inoculated them on the 22nd of June, btw.
Any thoughts/comments/suggestions/tips are appreciated, thanks!
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Re: Concerns with incubation [Re: poopsmith88]
#7117766 - 07/02/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i wouldnt worry about uneven colonization.. just wait it out, and then u can always flip them upside down while in the jar as well, this allows more air to get into the jar and speeds up colonization, atleast IME.
and i wouldnt worry about the temp change, i did pretty much the same thing and it didnt really effect them AFTER i moved them.. because of the high heat before moving them, i did lose a bunch to contam. 90+ degrees.
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Re: Concerns with incubation [Re: Banez]
#7117800 - 07/02/07 02:52 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actually if anything, that whole hot ---> cold thing helped the mycelium. Bring it near peak temps, then cool once the jar is colonizing so fast it creates its own heat energy.
Uneven colonization...well, that's why you used 4 points, really. Uneven isn't a problem. Let them sit. If it refuses to colonize the other chunk, that's a problem.
As always, post pictures. It's absurd and unlikely for us to diagnose problems from a description and nothing more.
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Re: Concerns with incubation [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7117823 - 07/02/07 03:00 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can we this asshole?
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poopsmith88
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Alright, I'm back with a picture of one of my jars. I took 4 angled shots of my jars for a relative 360 degree view of the jar.

How's it looking?
This picture is pretty outdated, however, as most of the jars (including this one) look 90-100% colonized. The only concern I have about them is they don't appear to be colonized too cohesively, they look like they're held together by finely spun spiderweb instead of looking like a solid white cake. Should I be concerned?
Also, assuming that the Amazonian strain is being grown in these jars, how tall of a FC would I need? I plan on using an FC with holes drilled on each side with a thick layer of soaked perlite with no standing water.
I plan on growing 8 of the cakes as they currently are and using 2 of them in casings and 2 of them in an outside grow. Too ambitious?
How big of a FC should I get for 8 cakes and 2 casings (also, what would be a reasonably-sized container for these casing for half-pint cakes?).
Also, in regards to my plans for doing an outdoors grow, do I really need horse/cow poo or can I use a storebought compost from a Home Depot or something? If so, what type should I use for the best results ? According to http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hzm-ne1.html I live in the 6a/6b zone. Would it be wise to grow outdoors at this time?
Thanks and I hope I can get some answers to my plethora of questiosn
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Re: Concerns with incubation [Re: poopsmith88]
#7135872 - 07/06/07 02:47 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can fit about 8 half pint cakes into a 10 gallon fish tank, more if i stack them on top of each other, as far as how many casings, look at the size of the casing, then look at the size of the fruting chamber, do this sober though.
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Re: Concerns with incubation [Re: poopsmith88]
#7135880 - 07/06/07 02:49 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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poopsmith88 said: Alright, I'm back with a picture of one of my jars. I took 4 angled shots of my jars for a relative 360 degree view of the jar.

How's it looking?
This picture is pretty outdated, however, as most of the jars (including this one) look 90-100% colonized. The only concern I have about them is they don't appear to be colonized too cohesively, they look like they're held together by finely spun spiderweb instead of looking like a solid white cake. Should I be concerned?
Also, assuming that the Amazonian strain is being grown in these jars, how tall of a FC would I need? I plan on using an FC with holes drilled on each side with a thick layer of soaked perlite with no standing water.
I plan on growing 8 of the cakes as they currently are and using 2 of them in casings and 2 of them in an outside grow. Too ambitious?
How big of a FC should I get for 8 cakes and 2 casings (also, what would be a reasonably-sized container for these casing for half-pint cakes?).
Also, in regards to my plans for doing an outdoors grow, do I really need horse/cow poo or can I use a storebought compost from a Home Depot or something? If so, what type should I use for the best results ? According to http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hzm-ne1.html I live in the 6a/6b zone. Would it be wise to grow outdoors at this time?
Thanks and I hope I can get some answers to my plethora of questiosn
For that many cakes/cased subs your fc is going to have to be pretty big to allow surface area for the perlite to humidify i would go with a 150 quart fc that should work.just make sure it is pretty tall like 14-19 inches tall to allow for the mushies to grow big and strong lol.That is what i would do.
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