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Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive....
    #7126125 - 07/03/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive....

Is this statement absolutely objectively true/fact....?

With everything....?

In life, isn't one side of the negative/positive spectrum inherently "better"....?


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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7126311 - 07/03/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Removing a negative is the same thing as adding a positive.
Adding a positive is the same thing as removing a negative.

-1 = +(-1) = -1
+1 = -(-1) = 1


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To have no emotion is to have no color, to be transparent, to be empty.
Some colors are uglier than others, yet they each have their time and place.
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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: morfious]
    #7126409 - 07/03/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

morfious said:
Removing a negative is the same thing as adding a positive.
Adding a positive is the same thing as removing a negative.
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-1 = +(-1) = -1
+1 = -(-1) = 1





That is in math, which is an aspect of life, but math is not life itself....
(which I do understand is arguable statement in itself)

In a given time line of life, having something good happen to you and then have it taken away -
may be arguably different (in a better way) than having something bad happen to you and then having the bad thing taken away....

The time line, and the fact that it is life, seems to make a difference (to me)....


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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7126888 - 07/04/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

morfious said:
Removing a negative is the same thing as adding a positive.
Adding a positive is the same thing as removing a negative.
.
-1 = +(-1) = -1
+1 = -(-1) = 1




In a given time line of life, having something good happen to you and then have it taken away -
may be arguably different (in a better way) than having something bad happen to you and then having the bad thing taken away....




Umm, ok, aren't you talking about a different concept here? You were comparing ADDING a positive and removing the negative. You're talking about removing the negative but comparing it to REMOVING the positive?

And of course it is arguable, because it depends which things the positives and negatives are, and the preferences of the person. I don't see the point in this topic.


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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: Tech]
    #7130635 - 07/05/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

In that case, you can think about your concept like this:

with electricity you can have negative voltage and positive voltage.
-12V and +12V: The amount is the same but the polarity is different.
removing a positive and negative you get:
-11V and +11V: Polarity is still different, amounts are the same.

Now picture the Yin/Yang symbol
Your energy can be in any spot on the Yin/Yang symbol. If it is on the top edge of Yin, the mirror opposite of your energy is Yang. The value of your emotion is the same, but the polarity is different.

For example. God and Satan.
God is the most powerful "Good" and Satan the most powerful "Evil"
They are both the most powerful, but the only thing different is the polarity (what side they are on).


Therefore, the act of removing something will remove that something no matter what. But giving a label to that something will create a difference.

So from this observation, we can conclude that:
Removing a negative is NOT the same thing as removing a positive.
This is true because we label what we are removing, and these labels each contain a different underlying definition.


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To have no emotion is to have no color, to be transparent, to be empty.
Some colors are uglier than others, yet they each have their time and place.
Stop using the same color when painting your self portrait. It gets bland. Try mixing different colors to create a better shaded rainbow.

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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: morfious]
    #7131735 - 07/05/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

how about a realworld example ..

How about the negative being ignorance
and the positive being enlightenment

?? some examples work then

another

the car has a fault around the carburetta .. taking away the fault makes the car perform better ..

How about an anima has a fear of things colored blue , and it causes lots and lots of costly moments in business and personal matters .. Taking away the phobia association would allow things to get better and better ..


Now the sequence will matter , because a costly fault going forward compounds and accrues a large cost
Where as having the fault resolved early reverses those costs into incremental benefits .
So for wellbeing going forward its better to resolve the negatives early . The time factor is sort of a multiplicant and with the negatives there they reduce the total


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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7131748 - 07/05/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive....

Is this statement absolutely objectively true/fact....?

With everything....?

In life, isn't one side of the negative/positive spectrum inherently "better"....?


>^;;^<




Hitler was big on "Eradication of all excrescence that could not be improved."
and look where it got him (I don't know if this is pertinent to the topic)

Oh yeah; And if you judge him solely on "INTENT" then he wasn't too much of a slouch

Edited by Booby (07/05/07 09:31 AM)

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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7131760 - 07/05/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive....

Is this statement absolutely objectively true/fact....?

With everything....?

In life, isn't one side of the negative/positive spectrum inherently "better"....?


>^;;^<




Removing a negative, being; E.g. Pulling out a rotten tooth..
Adding a positive, being; E.g. Getting payed to do it...

Would it not depend purely on the context of the concepts/words?

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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: Gomp]
    #7131797 - 07/05/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Gomp said:


Removing a negative, being; E.g. Pulling out a rotten tooth..
Adding a positive, being; E.g. Getting payed to do it...

Would it not depend purely on the context of the concepts/words?




The concept of getting paid to help you out of your misery as a "positive" is interesting in that if they could a friend may do it for free. Should the friend view payment as "positive"? Many times I've seen people refuse payment for services rendered in the context of being "neighborly". In this context I don't think money is a positive.


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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: Booby]
    #7131868 - 07/05/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

/me pets poor Booby...

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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: Gomp]
    #7131888 - 07/05/07 10:12 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Is that blood coming out of your head?



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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: Booby]
    #7132020 - 07/05/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Booby said:
(I don't know if this is pertinent to the topic)




Actually, I quoted someone else in this forum when I started the thread....
I was a little stoned, and a little bored because no one was posting,
and well, I don't think this thread helped....    :lol:

Without specific contexts to reference, the quote seems pretty meaningless....  :ohwell:


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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7133164 - 07/05/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Let's say I lend you 20 dollars.

You now owe me 20 dollars, so your net worth is negative $20.

The next day I have a change of heart and I tell you that you can keep the money.

In mathematical terms what I did was:

-($20) x (-1) = $20

So two negatives made a positive!

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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7133226 - 07/05/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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PhanTomCat said:
That is in math, which is an aspect of life, but math is not life itself....
(which I do understand is arguable statement in itself)

In a given time line of life, having something good happen to you and then have it taken away -
may be arguably different (in a better way) than having something bad happen to you and then having the bad thing taken away....

The time line, and the fact that it is life, seems to make a difference (to me)....


>^;;^<




Very interesting point. I was going to say that removing a negative is the same as adding a positive, only if they are equal. Now, is acquiring $1,000,000 equal to getting rid of a debilitating disease? That is arbitrary.

Your second point, which at first convinced me, is also arbitrary in each case. For example, getting a new computer than having it stolen could be compared to having a stolen computer returned to you, but either way, you end up where you started, so they would be equal.

Great thread though. :laugh:

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Re: Removing a negative is the same as adding a positive.... [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7135637 - 07/06/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

adjust said:
Let's say I lend you 20 dollars.

You now owe me 20 dollars, so your net worth is negative $20.

The next day I have a change of heart and I tell you that you can keep the money.





Then you give a positive, and the one who gets it, get a negative...
If you then say "keep it", you give the positive, without having the person you give it to, make it negative...

So no..

That is just dumb.. :p

... One made both..

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