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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
#7230174 - 07/27/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Which is exactly what I'm doing. I'm trying to debate this with you and show you the evidence that's been presented to me. It's up to you to make your own decision on whether it's real or not. Me I prefer to believe the PHD from Stanford rather than people who are quick to clame hoax's without any previous background dealing with this type of technology. Hal Puthoff I'll say it one more time he is the man.
Link incase anyone missed it http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7230282 - 07/27/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Last line of the above link, in case anybody missed it:
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Nevertheless, this would demonstrate the concept of conversion of zero-point energy in principle if the Casimir effect attribution to zero-point energy is correct (which is debatable).
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7232140 - 07/27/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Excerpt from an interview with Sean McCarthy, the CEO of Steorn:
Q: So do you have a time-frame that you're looking at for the next demo?
A: What we've decided to do this time, is rather then beating ourselves with a stick, we're going to get it running in a location and then we are going to announce that people can watch it online.
Watch it online instead of examine it in person? You mean so you can cheat?
He does say he'll provide public access, but why not at a university engineering department instead of an art gallery with hot lights or online where he can fake it?
These guys are such transparent shysters (or maybe genuinely delusional) I'm still absolutely floored every time I hear someone defending them. Geezuz! When will people get it?
Read the whole interview here.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7232320 - 07/27/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Who care's that's irrelevant anyways they just need to have the scientist's validate the theory. I'm sure Hal Puthoff is also pursuing this same course.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7232389 - 07/27/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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They have not published any theory to validate and they don't have a working prototype.
All they have is a failed demonstration, unkept promises, and a full page newspaper ad asking for investors. Go figure.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7232412 - 07/27/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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By the way, it turns out that Hal Puthoff is the same gullible guy who was bamboozled by the phony psychic Uri Geller's spoon bending trickery. He still believes it's genuine.
He's clearly being duped again and tossing his name around as validation for a magic machine is ironically hilarious.
Thanks for the laugh.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7232586 - 07/28/07 12:48 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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You might wanna read his wiki again all it said is that he investigated Uri Geller's Paranormal Activities conducted by the NSA so I guess that make's them crazy too with your logic . It also said nothing of the sort that he believed any of the evidence they gathered. Again besides the point this is what happening now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Advanced_Studies_at_Austin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_E._Puthoff
This guy is also big in this field
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Haisch
There exists a background sea of quantum light filling the universe and that light generates a force that opposes acceleration when you push on any material object. That is why matter seems to be solid, stable stuff that we, and the world, are made of. So maybe matter resists acceleration not because it possesses some innate thing called mass as Newton proposed and we all believed, but because the zero-point field exerts a force whenever acceleration takes place.
– Bernard Haisch, The God Theory
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7232621 - 07/28/07 01:04 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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From http://skepdic.com/geller.html
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In the 1970s, Geller was tested at the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) by Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ. Puthoff and Targ deemed Geller such a gifted psychic that they invented a term to describe his powers: the "Geller effect."
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Anno]
#7233476 - 07/28/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anno said: From http://skepdic.com/geller.html
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In the 1970s, Geller was tested at the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) by Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ. Puthoff and Targ deemed Geller such a gifted psychic that they invented a term to describe his powers: the "Geller effect."
check this guy out who exposes these people, at the end of the vidio he owns a televangelist.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: iateshaggy]
#7233545 - 07/28/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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LMAO again who care's all this guy did is investigate people with esp power's that doesn't mean he actually believed any of it. This is what scientist's do they investigate claims made my people. If we didn't have people like Hal Puthoff we would never progress in science at all because we would dismiss everyone's claim's of new invention's. Even if Uri Gellar was proven to be fake that doesn't mean Hal Puthoff is fake because he investigated them doe's it. I would sure hope not. So please stop with the petty arguments and come up with something that actually argues the point were talking about here.
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7233601 - 07/28/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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that doesn't mean he actually believed any of it
You didn't read Anno's excerpt. Here it is again:
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Puthoff and Targ deemed Geller such a gifted psychic that they invented a term to describe his powers: the "Geller effect."
So please stop with the petty argument
It's not a petty argument to point out that your star witness is a gullible fool.
and come up with something that actually argue's the point were talking about here
You mean like that the Steorn demonstration was a flop?
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7233785 - 07/28/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes actually I did read his excerpt. Ya wow they were duped one time by this guy. What matters is that those are two highly esteemed scientist's that are doing far better things with their time, but I sincerely commend them for investigating him since no one else seems to really care. Also you seem to forget that your own government funded most of these experiment's. These are Physicist's with PHD's and yes they too have come out and said that this technology could very well be completely wrong but you know what I think it's the best idea we have left to clean up this dirty world. So with that being said give them some respect there a whole lot more knowledgeable on the subject then you or I. So instead of being a non-believer be the person that disproves their equations. Oh and if you want those I got them aswell since you seem to think that it's not on paper yet or something.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7234213 - 07/28/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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do u still believe this crap or do u just not want to admit that u were wrong? the faster u realize that steorn scammed u out of money, the faster u can stop sending him more money, unless u are steorn, in which case, we are not sending u any money.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: iateshaggy]
#7234293 - 07/28/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont think he will ever admit he was wrong to us here on the forum. He was backed into a corner and has no way to change his opinion without looking (more) foolish.
Of course the best way to convince somebody is to leave them a way out, so they can agree with you without looking like they were "wrong". This is hard to do with an unorganized debate like this one.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: DieCommie]
#7240525 - 07/30/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes Shaggy I usually do tend to side with Cal State Physicist's rather than people on the shroomery even though I know some of you are very smart.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7240627 - 07/30/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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At least Shroomerites are smart enough to know that Uri Geller's a phony. 
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7563332 - 10/26/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great article on Bernard Haish and ZPE. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/11.04.99/lightphysics-9944.html. Also you should check out Joe Firmages videos on youtube.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7563506 - 10/26/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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The only "free energy" that I support is this
The refrigerator in your kitchen is the only "free energy machine" you currently own. It's an electrically operated heat pump. It uses one amount of energy (electricity) to move three amounts of energy (heat). This gives it a "coefficient of performance" (COP) of about 3. Your refrigerator uses one amount of electricity to pump three amounts of heat from the inside of the refrigerator to the outside of the refrigerator. This is its typical use, but it is the worst possible way to use the technology. Here's why. A heat pump pumps heat from the "source" of heat to the "sink" or place that absorbs the heat. The "source" of heat should obviously be HOT and the "sink" for heat should obviously be COLD for this process to work the best. In your refrigerator, it's exactly the opposite. The "source" of heat is inside the box, which is COLD, and the "sink" for heat is the room temperature air of your kitchen, which is warmer than the source. This is why the COP remains low for your kitchen refrigerator. But this is not true for all heat pumps. COP's of 8 to 10 are easily attained with solar assisted heat pumps. In such a device, a heat pump draws heat from a solar collector and dumps the heat into a large underground absorber, which remains at 55° F, and mechanical energy is extracted in the transfer. This process is equivalent to a steam engine that extracts mechanical energy between the boiler and the condenser, except that it uses a fluid that "boils" at a much lower temperature than water. One such system that was tested in the 1970's produced 350 hp, measured on a Dynamometer, in a specially designed engine from just 100-sq. ft. of solar collector. (This is NOT the system promoted by Dennis Lee.) The amount of energy it took to run the compressor (input) was less than 20 hp, so this system produced more than 17 times more energy than it took to keep it going! It could power a small neighborhood from the roof of a hot tub gazebo, using exactly the same technology that keeps the food cold in your kitchen. Currently, there is an industrial scale heat pump system just north of Kona, Hawaii that generates electricity from temperature differences in ocean water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_conversion
This method is good as well. Still solar power, but works at night, and it's efficent compared to unreliable photovoltaic cells.
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Visionary Tools]
#7563587 - 10/26/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly though just because there is no prototype yet doesn't mean anyone has refuted there mathematics on Zero-Point Energy conversion. Thats pretty cool about the fridge though I had no idea that worked but still nothing compares to extracting energy out of the vacuum that we are all submerished in at every point in our lives.
On a side note here is some more info on what I'm talking about http://www.physorg.com/news100753984.html
Financier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Firmage
Bernard Haish's book and no i'm not a freaken salesman but this book explain's everything. http://amazon.com/gp/product/1578633745/ref=s9_asin_title_1/105-9732711-0282068?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1W54ZCNMD4RGMTGWVX4J&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=278240301&pf_rd_i=507846
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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7563744 - 10/26/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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still no proof of it working, when that happens, we will believe you...
explanations are nice...but still it just doesn't work
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