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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
    #7202507 - 07/20/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Dude are you serious if anyone knew about this type of technology it would be someone just like Richard Feynman. People used to think nanotechnology was impossible 60 year's ago but now we are finally realizing the benefit's of it and putting it into action. So what make's you think this technology is any different?


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7202773 - 07/20/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

> So what make's you think this technology is any different?

Oh, I donno, maybe, perhaps, because nanotech doesn't violate one of the foundations of everything we understand to be true about how our reality works?

> if anyone knew about this type of technology it would be someone just like Richard Feynman

No, Feynman was being very blunt about how harmful people like Steorn are to science and how much of a joke people like Steorn are in the eyes of professional, educated scientists.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
    #7203109 - 07/20/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Amusing and insightful link. Thanks for the post.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: FocusHawaii]
    #7203353 - 07/20/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

If it were all up to Seuss we wouldn't even investigate quantum phenomenon because apparently he thinks all of the mechanic's of the universe have been figured out already.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7203394 - 07/20/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Speculate absent-mindedly a little more, it's always the surest sign of a good scientist.

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: FocusHawaii]
    #7204187 - 07/20/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Ya and any scientist with a mind would be able to ascertain that this is legit if presented with strong evidence which is were Steorn come's into play.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7204232 - 07/20/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

presented with strong evidence which is were Steorn come's into play

Did I miss something? Steorn's demonstration was a failure. :rolleyes:


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
    #7223065 - 07/25/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

This book is a must read for anyone who wants to understand the underlying ether of are universe.

http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/books/260003.htm


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7223346 - 07/25/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

From your link:

Rho Sigma's classic book on Anti-Gravity and Free Energy is back in print! First published in 1977, this ground-breaking book delves into the international efforts at gravity control and discoid craft propulsion.

I find it amusing that it doesn't seem to bother you one little bit that these people have been writing books since 1977, but they haven't managed to build a single machine that even comes close to working.

You remind me of the Catholic church. :rofl:


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
    #7223512 - 07/25/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

LOL... Either buddaha works for them or he's the biggest sucker for fucking buying this book for $12 dollars.

LOL LOL LOL.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
    #7223569 - 07/25/07 07:03 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I've been thinking he was trying to make money for them since his first posts about it. I mean, really, he keeps spamming us with all these book links and clearly is not a reasoning entity!


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: delta9]
    #7226551 - 07/26/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Ha ha I'm not spamming anything delta9 just trying to help get the info out there that's all. And Diploid you shouldn't just assume that because they have had this technology for awhile that they should also have a working prototype. This technology is very advanced and even most scientist's have trouble comprehending ether mainly because none of them have seen it, but for the theory of relativity to be complete it call's for this missing ether in the universe. Otherwise an atom would simply collapse onto itself. Go do some more reading on the material's that I already gave you and you'll have alot greater comprehension of the subject. This isn't just pseudoscience it's unexplained science which is what every great scientist in the world is striving to figure out.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7226735 - 07/26/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Ha ha I'm not spamming anything delta9 just trying to help get the info out there that's all.



You're spamming inane book links to this subforum. Subjectivity, part of this reality, for good or bad.

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And Diploid you shouldn't just assume that because they have had this technology for awhile that they should also have a working prototype. This technology is very advanced and even most scientist's have trouble comprehending ether mainly because none of them have seen it, ...



Sorry, I *am* a bit into syntax and grammar (trust me, they are important). At any rate, unclear underlined section aside, the bold section literally SCREAMS. Scientists *love* showing off their stuff to other scientists. It is particularly not science-like at all for TONS of scientists to have NOT seen this technology.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7226767 - 07/26/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

> And Diploid you shouldn't just assume that because they have had this technology for awhile that they should also have a working prototype.

Technology is tangible... theories are not. They have a theory, not technology. The fact that no technology has been developed as a result of their theory tends to lead one to suspect that their theory may be bunk.

Take relativity for example. It is a theory. Within a few years of publication of the theory there were tangible technologies/experiments that had been developed to test the theory.

> This technology is very advanced

Again, it is a theory, not technology.

> even most scientist's have trouble comprehending ether mainly because none of them have seen it

Lame excuse. If they published their theory in a scientific journal, then scientists would see it. Of course, the theory has to be scientifically sound before any reputable journal will publish it. Again, this would lead me to believe that what they have is bunk.

> for the theory of relativity to be complete it call's for this missing ether in the universe

Quite the opposite. Relativity explains how the mass, space, and time are related in the absence of some mythical ether. Relativity came about after experiments (gasp) showed that there was no ether.

> Go do some more reading on the material's that I already gave you

Not until you provide me with something that is peer reviewed by other scientists. I don't waste time reading non-journal pseudo-science. (Just because something is in a scientific journal does not mean that it is correct, only that it meets the criteria of being scientific or founded in science.)

> This isn't just pseudoscience

By your own admission it is party pseudoscience, and that is enough for me...

> it's unexplained science

No, it isn't science at all. It is fantasy. In terms you can relate with, Harry Potter isn't just fantasy, it is unexplained reality?!

> which is what every great scientist in the world is striving to figure out

I don't know of any "great scientist" that is working to figure out perpetual motion... lots of great con artists working to convince people that they have figured out perpetual motion...

I have worked with great scientists, including a nobel prize winner, on everything from high temperature superconductors (measuring seabeck coefficients of ceramics from near absolute zero to a thousand degrees kelvin) to quantum entanglement and spin theory (not that I understood much of it; I mainly wrote code for the project).

How many years of graduate level physics have you had again? How did you do in those upper mathematics classes... certainly line integrals and calculus of variations don't give you problems, do they? You can explain what an eigenvalue is, yes? How about Z-transforms, any good with those? Can you label an Feynman diagram? If you don't know what I am talking about, then you really have no place telling us that our understanding of science is incorrect and that your understand is not.


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7226946 - 07/26/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
    #7227568 - 07/26/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Wow. That couldn't be any more clear and should be the end of this discussion.

Something tells me he won't believe you though.

By the way, it's 0 years of graduate level physics.  Further back he explained that his experience is limited to high school physics.  That's how he's able to understand this so much better than everyone else, he wasn't indoctrinated with higher level education and consequently has no wool over his eyes.:D


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #7228850 - 07/27/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Seuss I'm not here to discuss my credential's. I have heard of everything you said thought and I understand it a little but I'm not exactly a math major so I'm sure I wouldn't understand alot of the equation's involved but that's beside the point here. People this technology is also being developed by Hal Puthoff he used to work for the CIA this guy is no joke and his company MPI will be making ZPE available to the public soon and I'm sure Steorn will be too. This technology is just now going mainstream if can read then you should be able to comprehend it. Here Seuss is this a little more credible info for ya http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

Part pertaining to extraction of energy from ZPE field.


FORWARD THOUGHT EXPERIMENT

There is growing interest concerning the possibility of tapping zero-point energy and many claims exist of ''over unity devices'' (gadgets yielding a greater output than the required input for operation) driven by zero-point energy. In spite of the dubious nature of these claims (to date no such device has passed a rigorous, objective test), the concept of converting some amount of zero-point energy to usable energy cannot be ruled out in principle. Zero-point energy is not a thermal reservoir, and therefore does not suffer from the thermodynamic injunction against extracting energy from a lower temperature reservoir.

In 1993 Cole and Puthoff published a thermodynamic analysis, ''Extracting energy and heat from the vacuum'' (see below), in which they concluded that ''extracting energy and heat from electromagnetic zero-point radiation via the use of the Casimir force'' is in principle possible without violating the laws of thermodynamics.

A thought experiment for a device that readily demonstrates how the Casimir force could be put to use in principle was proposed by physicist Robert Forward in 1984 (see below). A ''vacuum fluctuation battery'' could be constructed consisting of stacked conducting plates. Applying the same polarity charge to all the plates would yield a repulsive force between plates, thereby opposing the Casimir force which is acting to push the plates together. Adjusting the electrostatic force so as to permit the Casimir force to dominate will result in adding energy to the electric field between the plates, thereby converting zero-point energy to electric energy.

One can imagine an even simpler microdevice in which the Casimir force pushes two plates together thereby engaging some kind of lever which does work.

There is no practical application in these examples since ideally it would take just as much energy, and in practice somewhat more energy owing to frictional and other losses, to separate the plates for a second cycle. Nevertheless, this would demonstrate the concept of conversion of zero-point energy in principle if the Casimir effect attribution to zero-point energy is correct (which is debatable).


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7228884 - 07/27/07 12:43 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Man definitely need to read that shit when I'm had 8 hours of sleep, because right now it's just wha?


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
    #7228888 - 07/27/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

All I can say is I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY HOPE free energy works!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY WOULD I NOT!


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Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7229464 - 07/27/07 04:40 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

> Here Seuss is this a little more credible info for ya

Be sure you read the last line...

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Nevertheless, this would demonstrate the concept of conversion of zero-point energy in principle if the Casimir effect attribution to zero-point energy is correct (which is debatable).




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