|
Diploid
Cuban



Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
|
Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops
#7134638 - 07/05/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
After all that commotion, full page ads in newspapers, lots of promises, the machine is a flop.
I hate to say I told you so... no I don't:
TOLD YOU SO! 
--
In August 2006, a small Irish tech company called Steorn took out an ad in The Economist claiming to have invented a technology that produces an infinite supply of free energy. "Imagine never having to recharge your phone," the ad said. Or "never having to refuel your car." Given the monumentality of the claim -- the company was, after all, suggesting it had found a way to violate the first law of thermodynamics, which states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed -- many observers dismissed it.
So Steorn set out to prove everyone wrong. Wednesday was to be the big day; at the Kinetica Museum in London, the firm would open the first of a 10-day public demonstration of its perpetual motion tech, which it calls Orbo. The demo was to be streamed live on the Web, too.
But it didn't take. On its Web site, Steorn explains the problem -- they can't cool down the demo room:
We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience.
If you look at the Steorn video stream now (it seems to work only in Internet Explorer), you see a nearly vacant museum-white room with eight pedestals placed in circle, an arrangement that smacks of Stonehenge. A few of the pedestals are topped with iMacs, and in the center of the circle sits a strange lit-up orb in a glass cube. This orb, presumably, is Orbo. It's the machine that could alter the course of the world -- if only the geniuses who cooked it up could learn how to turn on an air conditioner. (Hey, here's a crazy thought -- why not use the Orbo to power the museum's A.C.?)
machinist.salon.com
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
|
trendal
J♠



Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 20,815
Loc: Ontario, Canada
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7134761 - 07/05/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
--------------------
Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
|
DieCommie


Registered: 12/11/03
Posts: 29,258
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: trendal]
#7135104 - 07/05/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
After all that commotion, full page ads in newspapers, lots of promises,
I didnt hear shit. Well maybe I tuned it out...
Y'know I haven't seen one of those "I invented perpetual motion while tripping" threads in a while. I bet we are due.
|
Diploid
Cuban



Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: DieCommie]
#7135183 - 07/05/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
|
DieCommie


Registered: 12/11/03
Posts: 29,258
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7135283 - 07/05/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Diploid said: We just had one a couple months ago: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6864511#Post6864511
Ahh yes I remember that one. Its fun to read, sometimes it just gets sad.
Threads like these are a staple of any science forum (along with teh .999...=1? threads)
I just got done reading a mediocre book by Asimov. In it nearly free energy was gotten by exchanging atoms with a parallel universe whos nuclear force was stronger. In the parallel universe Plutonium-186 was a stable isotope, but in our universe it is not. So the aliens sent us Pu-186 which then emitted energy as its not stable. And we sent them Tungsten which was emitted energy in their universe. The net effect is the transfer of electrons from our universe to theirs. Of course there was a caveat.. the exchange of atoms caused a change in the local strength of the nuclear force pushing the sun toward exploding.
Anyway, kind of a digress... but I guess perpetual energy/motion doesn't even work in the fiction books.
|
Diploid
Cuban



Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: DieCommie]
#7135305 - 07/05/07 11:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
along with teh .999...=1? threads 
We're overdue for one of those, eh?
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
|
Seuss
Error: divide byzero



Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 3 months, 8 days
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7136023 - 07/06/07 04:31 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
I hate to say I told you so... no I don't:
TOLD YOU SO!
You are a big old meany. Just think, if it had worked, then alllll the worlds problems would be solved. Just wait until he gets that room cooled down... then we will see what is what! So there!
-------------------- Just another spore in the wind.
|
OJK
Stranger


Registered: 06/08/03
Posts: 10,629
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7136059 - 07/06/07 05:31 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
The weirdest thing about this company was the way they promoted their "discovery"
They said that the single most exciting thing about their technology was the "convenience", of "never having to recharge anything".
Yeah... you claim to have disproven a fundemental physical law and invented a device that can give clean, free energy to the whole world for the rest of time, and you think the most important consequence is not having to recharge your damn cell phone?
|
Anno
Experimenter




Registered: 06/17/99
Posts: 24,166
Loc: my room
Last seen: 7 days, 2 hours
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7136840 - 07/06/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Update:
Quote:
Further to Steorn’s announcement yesterday (5th July) regarding the technical difficulties experienced during the installation of its “Orbo” technology at the Kinentica Museum in London, Steorn has decided to postpone the demonstration until further notice.
Sean McCarthy CEO stated that “technical problems arose during the installation of the demonstration unit in the display case on Wednesday evening. These problems were primarily due to excessive heat from the lighting in the main display area. Attempts to replace those parts affected by the heat led to further failures and as a result we have to postpone the public demonstration until a future date.”
He continued that “we apologise for the inconvenience caused to all the people who had made arrangements to visit the demonstration or were planning on viewing the demonstration online.”
Over the next few weeks the company will explore alternative dates for the public demonstration.
|
HagbardCeline
Student-Teacher-Student-Teacher


Registered: 05/10/03
Posts: 10,028
Loc: Overjoyed, at the bottom ...
Last seen: 20 days, 18 hours
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7142652 - 07/07/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Video Q&A with CEO of Steorn about the debacle. Sound gets better about a minute in and apparently they aren't blaming the lighting anymore, but I haven't finished watching it yet.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-410336726209552529&hl=en-GB
-------------------- I keep it real because I think it is important that a highly esteemed individual such as myself keep it real lest they experience the dreaded spontaneous non-existance of no longer keeping it real. - Hagbard Celine
|
buddhahoodlum
Bodhisattva



Registered: 04/30/07
Posts: 354
Loc: Buddhahood
Last seen: 3 years, 10 months
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: HagbardCeline]
#7147041 - 07/08/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I'll state it again as I have on all of these post's. Understand the casmir effect and you will realize that this type of technology is completely plausible.
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
|
Diploid
Cuban



Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7148061 - 07/08/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Understand the casmir effect and you will realize that this type of technology is completely plausible.
You keep assuming that people are not familiar with the Casimir effect.
But since it seems like you know more about it than I do, educate me. How does one get free energy form the Casimir effect?
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
|
OJK
Stranger


Registered: 06/08/03
Posts: 10,629
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7150011 - 07/09/07 05:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
You just reverse the polarity of the flux capacitor!
Geez, what kind of a scientist are you?
|
Seuss
Error: divide byzero



Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 3 months, 8 days
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: OJK]
#7150374 - 07/09/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
> You just reverse the polarity of the flux capacitor!
Sttawagig 12.1? What the hell is a Sttawagig?
-------------------- Just another spore in the wind.
|
Le_Canard
The Duk Abides


Registered: 05/16/03
Posts: 94,392
Loc: Earthfarm 1
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Diploid]
#7150828 - 07/09/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
It amazes me that quacks are still trying to make perpetual motion machines.
|
Seuss
Error: divide byzero



Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 3 months, 8 days
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Le_Canard]
#7150850 - 07/09/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
> It amazes me that quacks are still trying to make perpetual motion machines.
Give a duck a magnet and sit back...
-------------------- Just another spore in the wind.
|
buddhahoodlum
Bodhisattva



Registered: 04/30/07
Posts: 354
Loc: Buddhahood
Last seen: 3 years, 10 months
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: Seuss]
#7151723 - 07/09/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
These link's are the definitive website's on Zero-Point Energy most notably zpower.com.
http://www.zpower.com/en/technology_energypapers.htm#ZeroPointEnergyArticles http://www.zpenergy.com/
http://zpenergy.com/downloads/Iannuzzi.pdf
This is the book that I learned all of my info on this subject from. This is also on zpower.com's site but I posted a direct link below incase you don't want to look through it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?c3dn3vdxjie
If you all really want to understand the science behind the talk than you need to look through everything this book & website has to offer. There are links on there to downloadable book's that fully explain how the casimir effect influence's this type of technology. If that isn't enough info for you then you probably need to go back to high-school and take some more science class's. And I would explain it in my own word's but I'm def no professor and this book has far more info then I could reiterate.
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
Edited by buddhahoodlum (07/09/07 02:57 PM)
|
psyka
Praetorian


Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 1,652
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7152069 - 07/09/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
All things tend to reach a state of energetic equilibrium. Meaning if you were to place magnets in a certain pattern, no matter what ingenious pattern it was, they would eventually configure themselves into a non-moving state.
As far as using Casimir effect to generating electricity... you're better off collecting the heat/kinetic energy from a pile of ants. The energy harness from the Casimir effect is so small that it is insignificant to our energy concerns.
The most practical approach to our energy concerns is using a slow-burning fuel source in an efficient process... ie. H-3 Fusion. Maybe that and a combination of highly efficient solar panels (which have a max. energy efficiency of 30% of sunlight per square inch or something like that -- or I'm completely off).
-------------------- As the life of a candle, my wick will burn out. But, the fire of my mind shall beam into infinite.

|
OJK
Stranger


Registered: 06/08/03
Posts: 10,629
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7152365 - 07/09/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
buddhahoodlum said: If you all really want to understand the science behind the talk than you need to look through everything this book & website has to offer.
I imagine that if you "really want to understand the science behind the talk" you need to study it at a reputable higher learning institution, or read about it in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
|
Diploid
Cuban



Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
|
Re: Steorn Perpetual Motion Machine Flops [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7152510 - 07/09/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
If you all really want to understand the science behind the talk
Yeah, I learn all my science from nutjob websites instead of peer reviewed science journals. And I get my medical advice from the short order cook at the local Denny's.
If you want anyone to take you seriously, link up a real science journal. You won't because none of them bother with crap pseudoscience any more than with alien abductions and anal probes. 
Extracting energy from the vacuum soup of virtual particles is not possible because in order to do that, the system from which you extract the energy would fall below the zero-point. This is like removing 10 apples from a bag that contains only 5.
Energy is ALWAYS conserved and there has never been the slightest, tiniest hint that this may not be true.
That people with no science education insist this can be done even though they don't understand the basic science they're trying to use is very amusing and not unlike how people misconstrue entanglement as a method for communicating faster than light. 
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
|
|