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Pledge of Allegiance.
    #712248 - 06/29/02 11:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Do you promise delivery of personal property (your whole personage itself) as security for a debt or the obligation of loyalty, as a vassal or subject owing allegiance and services to a lord or sovereign, as a loyal subject?

liege
n.
A lord or sovereign to whom allegiance and service are due according to feudal law.
A vassal or subject owing allegiance and services to a lord or sovereign under feudal law.
A loyal subject to a monarch.

pledge
Law.
Delivery of goods or personal property as security for a debt or obligation: a loan requiring a pledge of property.
The contract by which such delivery is made.

al?le?giance
The obligations of a vassal to a lord.
Middle English alligeaunce, alteration of ligeaunce, from Old French ligeance, from lige, liege. See liege.]


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"If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,


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Re: Pledge of Allegiance. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #712253 - 06/29/02 11:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Since it was ruled unconstitutional I thought about what it really means. I will never say the pledge again. This gov. is fucked up and doesn't have my loyalty. Just somthing about murdering 1/4 of my generation legally through abortion really makes me ashamed to be an american.


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"If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,


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Re: Pledge of Allegiance. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #712284 - 06/29/02 11:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Pledge of Allegiance. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #712287 - 06/29/02 11:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The Pledge of Allegiance
A Short History
by Dr. John W. Baer
Copyright 1992 by Dr. John W. Baer

Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans.
[ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'

In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.

What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:

It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...

The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?

Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...

If the Pledge's historical pattern repeats, its words will be modified during this decade. Below are two possible changes.

Some prolife advocates recite the following slightly revised Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, born and unborn.'

A few liberals recite a slightly revised version of Bellamy's original Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with equality, liberty and justice for all.'



Sooo, it appears the original author did not approve of the same revision. Imagine that?


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"If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,


Edited by Ellis Dee (06/29/02 11:42 PM)


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Re: Pledge of Allegiance. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #712890 - 06/30/02 11:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you so much Rail, would you mind including the link where you found this, if possible. I would like to forward it on to some religious nutbags that are making life miserable around here.

To think, the person who came up with the pledge of allegiance, while obviously a religious man, was able to find many things to bring us together without using the word god at all.

This shows a profound respect for individual liberty as well as an astute understanding of where god and religion belong; in the home, not in government, not in PUBLIC schools and most certainly not in the law books.


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