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Fear and Loathing was lame
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because the special effects sucked. That movie should have been awash with psychedelic imagrey and the most psychedelic scene was near the beginning when he's checking into the hotel and he looks down at the carpet and it's moving. That's it--that was the most psychedelic scene.

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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What do you expect its an old movie.

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: flukes]
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the problem is you are sopposed to be ON psychedelic's when you watch it....then you will have all the psych's you need

however this is not advised where drugs are prohibited aka world wide....theirfor get 300k and go to outerspace for a few hours


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: makaveli8x8]
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A movie doesnt have to have fake special effects visuals to be psychedelic. I think you're missing the point.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: flukes]
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I dont watch movies while tripping.

All I know is that you expected too much.

Hunter wasnt all about psychedelics, so why should this movie be so simple and psychedelic?

In my opinion, its a great movie, and it shouldnt have been awash with psychedelic imagrey.

To call a hunter-based movie lame when it infact is not, is lame in its self.

I mean what the hell did you expect, a fucking lightshow?
Hunter was not only some dude who wrote about psychedelics, and Johnny Depp did a damn good job. Just like bill murray did.......

I dont know..... But to call it lame?
I think its funny that you thought it would be the coolest thing to do while tripping on some night, or atleast that you decided to watch this movie while tripping, any psychedelic movie....and then you complain about it.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (06/30/07 10:06 PM)

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: Hashbar]
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Hashbar said:
A movie doesnt have to have fake special effects visuals to be psychedelic. I think you're missing the point.


No, I'm not missing the point. The movie was great in its other aspects but it only had a few psychedelic scenes, which is inconsistent. And most of the psychedelia was just lighting and props like how they were trying to make the scene where Hunter Thompson's looking at the war footage (before Lacerda walks in) on acid look psychedelic just by showing some projector images on the floor and the wall--that was pathetic.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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ive never seen the movie but would you say it was psychedelic for a movie from the 60's-70's?


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: Hashbar]
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Hashbar said:
A movie doesnt have to have fake special effects visuals to be psychedelic. I think you're missing the point.


Exactly.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
ive never seen the movie but would you say it was psychedelic for a movie from the 60's-70's?


No, it's not psychedelic because it lacks psychedelic effects.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
ive never seen the movie but would you say it was psychedelic for a movie from the 60's-70's?


Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas came out in 1998.

When I first saw it I thought it was really old as well.

Great film, by the way.

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: OneRainyWish]
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The movie has an old and dusty feel to it because that's how Las Vegas was when HST was writing FALLV. Johnny Depp DID do a great job, I forget how long he lived in HST basement before filming. They were good friends. He actually paid for the cannon that shot out his ashes. It's an enjoyable movie, I think you were just expecting what it isn't.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: OneRainyWish]
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The movie was well done. The dialogue was identical to the book. Your brain is probably too slow to keep up with the dialogue, therefore you relied on the visuals. Somehow these didn't satisfy you either. Ralph Steadman, who does the artwork in HST's books played a role in the over all look of the film. For true HST fans, it was very satisfying. If it's good enough for the Dr.(that means Hunter Thompson, who was actually in the film, and on set everyday), then it's good enough for me. I'm glad you didn't like it.


R.I.P


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: UberDeepName]
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UberDeepName said:
For true HST fans, it was very satisfying.


I understand he has fans, and I did enjoy his writing, but I have a hard time respecting him after he was owned on national TV by the President of the Hell's Angels Berdoo Chapter. The sight of him squirming in his chair is pitiful.

Also, he committed suicide, which is a sign to me of gutless cowardice.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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Junk food you weren't paying attention my friend..you missed the whole movie.

Trippin on mescaline on the beach before the Vegas trip.
The bats in the desert, picking up that hitchhiker.
The parking valet "don't worry, I'll remember your face"
Checking in...the carpet, the guy on the phone, front desk chick, the bar with lizards & blood everywhere "imposable to get any footing in this muck"
In the hotel room, HST thinks he gets hit by a stray bullet from out of the TV. Then the TV starts projecting itself on the whole room
Then their cameraman comes in talking about Kawasaki, Yamaha looking like a VC with cammo & a gun. next second hes back to normal. Gonzo says "we know what your up to"
When HST & gonzo have some mescaline then go to that crazy circus casino, they think the mescaline ain't working so they huff some either.
Gonzo can't get off the merry go round, saying things like"bi-sexual are gonna kill me"
Then gonzo tells HST to have some mythical "adrinachrome"

There is more crazy stuff in that movie, than I care to type up
It's not just about psychedelics & tripping
The movie is "full" of crazy imagery, insane dialogue, the lighting is way cool.

You were obviously expecting something else, and to say it sucked because it didn't have matrix style psychedelic FX is showing how ignorant you are....


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: Astral Piper]
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Astral Piper said:
UberDeepName said:
For true HST fans, it was very satisfying.


I understand he has fans, and I did enjoy his writing, but I have a hard time respecting him after he was owned on national TV by the President of the Hell's Angels Berdoo Chapter. The sight of him squirming in his chair is pitiful.

Also, he committed suicide, which is a sign to me of gutless cowardice.


So you're not a fan? *shrug* btw, Not everyone believes he committed suicide. I haven't decided yet. He was doing a story on the Bush Administration, that was not going over well. And as far as him getting "owned" as you so eloquently put it... Your interpretation of someones reaction to hostility on national television (while probably under the influence of heavy drugs) does not really reflect their worth as person, let alone their talent. I'm a fan of his work, not of his TV spots.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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I like movies that don't try and communicate the psychedelic experience through solely visual means. After all, there is so much more to tripping.

I refer you to "The Trip" starring Peter Fonda for another great example of storytelling about tripping that doesn't fall back on visual effects to get the point across.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: UnderNose]
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Listen to all you losers defending your beloved movie. The fact of the matter is that the special effects were importanat for this movie and they were just a joke. The adrenochrome scene and lizard orgy were totally unrealistic--it was just people in costumes and that's exactly what it looked like. Totally corny. Cool effects were used for certain scenes, like the carpet scene, as I pointed out, and the scene where the desk clerk's head turning into a morray eel; the brief instances of slow motion/choppy motion--but the problem is that the majority of the effects were just props/lighting and they looked totally fake and that really took away from it. You get a hint of some quality surrealistic imagery but the majority of it is just crap; and that's a real let down.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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Who says Art always has to be realistic?


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: UberDeepName]
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UberDeepName said:
Who says Art always has to be realistic?


Pointless, vague statement.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
UberDeepName said:
Who says Art always has to be realistic?


Pointless, vague statement.


Pointless, vague retort.

JunkFood said:
Listen to all you losers defending your beloved movie.


No trolling.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: UberDeepName]
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UberDeepName said:
Who says Art always has to be realistic?


Let's use a bird as an example. You could have a nice, CGI/mechanical bird like in one of the Harry Potter films (sorry I had to use that as an example)--a realistic bird, or you could have some guy in a bird suit doing this:



If you're happy with that, good for you, but I, personally, like my movies to be a little more realistic.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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Did he make that movie? No

And I think most of you naysaying fuggers are ridiculous for shitting on such a weird and good man.... Im certain most of the dumbasses who shit on his work know VERY little about the scope of his work.

PS:

Fuck off assholes...
and then fuck off again, because you dont know anything about this man.

This may seem like a flame, but it is also the truth.

Some of you would like to think that he was just some drug user, and movies have been made about him.....

And trust me, he was a smart mother fucker. So stop shitting on him after his death just because you know so little about him.

You will only see this guy squirm in a chair if a drug had taken its control.

SOme of you fuckers clearly know nothing about his works......

Not a damn thing.

Sorry, this shit just pisses me off slightly.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (06/30/07 11:59 PM)

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: yageman]
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I'm just talking about the special effects in the movie--that's it. They could have been a lot better :shrug:

Here you are going off on a rant in defense of HST :rolleyes:


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: yageman]
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I've read Hells Angels, Fear and Loathing, The Great Shark Hunt, and Generation of Swine.

I've also read an anthology of his columns for Rolling Stone and a brief biography by Jann himself.

Why don't you school me? Or can you possibly refrain from spewing around unintelligible non sequiturs and make a valid point?

I'll repeat what I said earlier - he was a coward, plain and simple. If that bothers you, then it sucks to be you.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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"It was lame".............

Do you really gather that the story deserved better graphics?

Read the book dude.
More visuals would have been very beside the point............

Its not even in my top 20 favorite movies, yet its pretty damn fun to watch.

Hunter aint my idol, and he has written some great stuff.

That, and you are a dingleberry.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (07/01/07 12:40 AM)

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: Astral Piper]
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Astral Piper said:
I've read Hells Angels, Fear and Loathing, The Great Shark Hunt, and Generation of Swine.

I've also read an anthology of his columns for Rolling Stone and a brief biography by Jann himself.

Why don't you school me? Or can you possibly refrain from spewing around unintelligible non sequiturs and make a valid point?

I'll repeat what I said earlier - he was a coward, plain and simple. If that bothers you, then it sucks to be you.


Wow, quit being such a dick there big guy. I dont have any desire to quiz you, wasnt talking to you, and certainly didnt impose that I can school you.
I can school you in the way that I can say that you "dont read good"(asshole)................


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: yageman]
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yageman said:
Read the book moron.


I have read the book, "moron"; and I thought it was good.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: yageman]
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yageman said:
Astral Piper said:
I've read Hells Angels, Fear and Loathing, The Great Shark Hunt, and Generation of Swine.

I've also read an anthology of his columns for Rolling Stone and a brief biography by Jann himself.

Why don't you school me? Or can you possibly refrain from spewing around unintelligible non sequiturs and make a valid point?

I'll repeat what I said earlier - he was a coward, plain and simple. If that bothers you, then it sucks to be you.


Wow, quit being such a dick there big guy. I dont have any desire to quiz you, wasnt talking to you, and certainly didnt impose that I can school you.
I can school you in the way that I can say that you "dont read good"(asshole)................


That was AWESOME!!!

You set me straight, but good. I have learned my lesson.

Rock on!!


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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This movie had been around for quite some time before I actually sat down and watched it...

The movie itself can be viewed in/by multiple perspectives.

I think that part of the fun... and part of what makes the movie great... is putting yourself in their position...


They were drinking Singaplore Slings with Mezcal Sides!

That was the first step...

If you dont understand what that means... I guess the rest of the movie is "lame"


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: UberDeepName]
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UberDeepName said:
The movie was well done. The dialogue was identical to the book. Your brain is probably too slow to keep up with the dialogue, therefore you relied on the visuals. Somehow these didn't satisfy you either. Ralph Steadman, who does the artwork in HST's books played a role in the over all look of the film. For true HST fans, it was very satisfying. If it's good enough for the Dr.(that means Hunter Thompson, who was actually in the film, and on set everyday), then it's good enough for me. I'm glad you didn't like it.



R.I.P [/quote

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: Astral Piper]
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Astral Piper said:
I'll repeat what I said earlier - he was a coward, plain and simple. If that bothers you, then it sucks to be you.


Ya, he was a coward, and that makes you much better than that non-asshole ever was.

Have some respect you fugging bottom feeder.

I dont care how "big and manly" you are. You come off as an angry little girl with a computer who has no idea what kind of responses she will get on a site such as this.

Stop bitching about how you are not just bitching.

Its cool man, just dont talk shit about such a good writer while being an illusive dick about what you are really saying.

Im sure you are much better than that dead man you talk shit about. So good for you for being an asshole, through and through.
I only flame morons like you. So sorry if what I say doesnt jive with your shitty persona here.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (07/01/07 12:31 AM)

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: UberDeepName]
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UberDeepName said:
So you're not a fan? *shrug* btw, Not everyone believes he committed suicide. I haven't decided yet. He was doing a story on the Bush Administration, that was not going over well. And as far as him getting "owned" as you so eloquently put it... Your interpretation of someones reaction to hostility on national television (while probably under the influence of heavy drugs) does not really reflect their worth as person, let alone their talent. I'm a fan of his work, not of his TV spots.


OK, that's reasonable. I don't buy the conspiracy theory, but your point about the televised reaction is a valid one - if he were under the influence of drugs.

I too am a fan of his writing - I think he was a solid writer - but I maintain my impressions about him personally.

Thanks for not having a melt down like the girl in the earlier part of the thread. I can have discussions with people who disagree with me, and I can try and understand their perspective, but not if they have anger management issues which is what I am sensing in her diatribe.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: Astral Piper]
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Astral Piper is a fugging joke.

If you dont think so, read the thread.

Sorry he just got to me when he called hunter a coward for whatever reason.

"Head in ass syndrome" is all I can say.
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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: yageman]
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yageman said:
Astral Piper said:
I'll repeat what I said earlier - he was a coward, plain and simple. If that bothers you, then it sucks to be you.


Ya, he was a coward, and that makes you much better than that non-asshole ever was.

Have some respect you fugging bottom feeder.

I dont care how "big and manly" you are. You come off as an angry little girl with a computer who has no idea what kind of responses she will get on a site such as this.

Stop bitching about how you are not just bitching.

Its cool man, just dont talk shit about such a good writer while being an illusive dick about what you are really saying.

Im sure you are much better than that dead man you talk shit about. So good for you for being an asshole, through and through.
I only flame morons like you. So sorry if what I say doesnt jive with your shitty persona here.


I'm going to grab someone hanging out in front of the bus station down the street to try and help me understand this, 'cause it's a little outside of my scope of comprehension.

Meanwhile, can you stop with the ad hominem nonsense and make a valid point? If he wasn't a coward, which is what I think you are trying to say, can you refute that assertion logically?

Yeah, I am pretty big, and I don't really need a computer to make a point to anyone, anywhere. My mother did teach me to be polite to strangers, even strange strangers, so I am trying, trying.....


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: Astral Piper]
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Hunter was kinda psychedelic. thats a Lophophora on the arm under the fist on his logo.
I thought the movie was great too, but I think if you watch movies while your tripping, your not taking enough.

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: Astral Piper]
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lets compare this to star wars.

episodes 4, 5, and 6 are all far better than episodes 1, 2, and 3. the newer episodes all have crazy fantastic awesome, cutting edge effects but it just feels like its all there to wow you. the old episodes are all heart because thats what they relied on, they didn't have the greatest visual stimuli..

and the moral is: the tripouts didnt need to be great to make it a great movie. they may have been a little cheesy at times but the story and acting make up for it.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: Astral Piper]
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Astral Piper said:
yageman said:
Astral Piper said:
I'll repeat what I said earlier - he was a coward, plain and simple.  If that bothers you, then it sucks to be you.


Ya, he was a coward, and that makes you much better than that non-asshole ever was.

Have some respect you fugging bottom feeder.

  I dont care how "big and manly" you are.  You come off as an angry little girl with a computer who has no idea what kind of responses she will get on a site such as this.

  Stop bitching about how you are not just bitching.

Its cool man, just dont talk shit about such a good writer while being an illusive dick about what you are really saying.

Im sure you are much better than that dead man you talk shit about.  So good for you for being an asshole, through and through.
I only flame morons like you.  So sorry if what I say doesnt jive with your shitty persona here.


I'm going to grab someone hanging out in front of the bus station down the street to try and help me understand this, 'cause it's a little outside of my scope of comprehension.

Meanwhile, can you stop with the ad hominem nonsense and make a valid point?  If he wasn't a coward, which is what I think you are trying to say, can you refute that assertion logically?

Yeah, I am pretty big, and I don't really need a computer to make a point to anyone, anywhere.  My mother did teach me to be polite to strangers, even strange strangers, so I am trying, trying.....


Hunter was a coward.............  Good point big guy!:blush:

  You are not polite, you talk about hunter as if he was not someone worth the respect he deserves.

  You being "big" doesnt make a point here.
After all, the biggest guy I know has a really small penis.:blush:

Stop talking shit, and ya, stop it.

  Im glad your last 10 gram shroom trip went well for you, And fug off if you are going to act just plain stupid.

If you want to shit talk hunter, yous betters makes some sense and actually say something.

Edited by yageman (07/01/07 12:56 AM)

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: yageman]
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this is just another stereotypical hollywood movie about drugs
just because the protagonists take lsd and loads of other drugs,
doesn't have to indicate, it's that good

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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: yageman]
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(1) You made the point about my size, and I assume that you were referencing a point I made about crying in an earlier post, so I responded in the affirmative.

(2) I'm happy with the size of my penis. I could say "So's your Mom" but that would be flaming. Do you see how that works?

(3) I don't think that Hunter Thompson deserves any more respect than any other good writer who had the selfishness to end his own life, and the stupidity to lie to the Hells Angels and then prevaricate on national television.

(4) I haven't talked shit yet, but you'll know it if I do.

(5) You don't have my permission to read any more of my posts, because I'm afraid you might hurt yourself. You probably will, and comment in some fashion that I can't understand, but that is on you and the moderator who has allowed your hatchet-job of a one-sided flame war to continue.


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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: yageman]
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Far out this has turned into a shitfight. You happy JunkFood ?
Astral Piper , yageman calm down  It's not worth it.
Can't we all just get along. :hippie:

I guess the overall feel of the movie could be explained by the fact it was directed by Terry Gilliam.
He was writer actor in tonnes of Montypython stuff, which was also a little cheesy / corny. yes
If anyone here remembers that stuff he also did all that weird animation that was in between skits.

Now he has also written and or directed these weird, trippy & also sometimes cheesy / corny, ( because lets face it, sometimes the shit that happens when tripping is pretty "cheesy / corny" )

The Brothers Grimm
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Monty Python & the Quest for the Holy Grail
Twelve Monkeys
The Fisher King
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
Brazil

Anyone here seen these movies...


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syd barret was a coward, how do you like that? Not much Im sure.

Id have no reason to call a great dead man a coward.

As nutty as they both may have been.

Syd isolated himself from most "normal things" at some point..... Was he also a coward?

What ever he did it fucked his ass up pretty nicely.

So when your sig is of syd, you just need to forgive me for calling you a total asshole.

Edit:
Didnt read much of that last post because im going to sleep soon.
Sorry, I just think you are damn near retarded.

I wont read analyzation of a post that was stated very clearly.

I didnt claim how big your dick is, it was a metaphore. Thats the first part I read and because thats the first thing you said I decided that the post was not worth my time.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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yageman said:
syd barret was a coward, how do you like that? Not much Im sure.

Id have no reason to call a great dead man a coward.

As nutty as they both may have been.

Syd isolated himself from most "normal things" at some point..... Was he also a coward?

What ever he did it fucked his ass up pretty nicely.

So when your sig is of syd, you just need to forgive me for calling you a total asshole.


I don't need to forgive you because I agree with you.

SURPRISE!!

I think he was terrified that he couldn't replicate his earlier success, and that (coupled with a general laziness that defies description and a very delicate mental sensibility to begin with) prompted him to back out of Pink Floyd and flee from the spotlight. I don't for a single minute believe that he was an "acid casualty" or even schizophrenic.

I like him because he created High Art with his work in Floyd and his later solo efforts, raw as they may be. I like him because Piper was the album that brought me to where I am today as a person, and I can listen to that album again, and again, and again.

But I will be the first person to assert that he was afraid, and his fear drove him from attempting to follow-up on his prior successes. He heard the criticisms from all of those acolytes who had previously praised his vision, and he felt the hot breath of other true talent (namely Roger Waters) breathing down his back.

He folded.

Can we be friends now?


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Ya, we are friends now. We both are very good at the flame game after all.

BAck to the subject:

"Fear and Loathing was lame"

I dont think hunter or syd were cowards. Totally different, and totally weird.

I was kidding aroung for the most part.
Fear and loathing was a fuckin good movie in my opinion. Pretty close to the book(minus the *possibly* necessary special effects and great side-stories and articulation found in the book).


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Astral Piper said:
But I will be the first person to assert that he was afraid, and his fear drove him from attempting to follow-up on his prior successes. He heard the criticisms from all of those acolytes who had previously praised his vision, and he felt the hot breath of other true talent (namely Roger Waters) breathing down his back.

He folded.

Can we be friends now?


Its sad, but likely true. Gilmore sure as hell gave him a run for his money, so to speak.
So much drama, such a great band.

.........Waters, is the opposite of barret in a way.
I have seen interviews with the amazing lyricist waters and wanted to punch his face in after some of the shit he said.
Hes really good at fucking up a good thing, and even a good question asked by an interviewer.

He is the snottiest idol I have in my books..........


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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This is a great movie, "lets get fucking wasted lol" kids wont appriciate it though.
It was all about dialogues and the feel, not about shiny efects.




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I wonder if anyone here has seen Knocked Up?

I dont mean to spoil anything for anyone, but I think that movie, despite the fact that it has no special fx for the shroom scenes, depicts what the experience on shrooms is very very accurately. There was a simple communication of how one thinks, acts, sees and feels on mush. No visuals were needed to describe it.

In the same way, F&L uses some fx to help the viewer to understand the tremendous stress/strain that was on HST's psychoactive brain, and how he seems to handle every situation magnificently. It wasn't supposed to be a movie that showed you the visuals of the different drugs. It was supposed to show you how this guy was so fucked up in the head, yet survived somehow. That is the wacky humor of the movie. Its just a nutty trip, plus the dialog is some of the wiliest stuff ever.

In short, you missed the point. You expected a psychadellic visual porno, and all you got was a smart film about the power and nature of various psychs. You want a psych porno? Go watch the Brady Bunch movie, they have a great mushroom trip scene...


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i love that movie (F&L), i've watched it about 20 times and every time i watch it again i pick up a new thing that i missed the time before, a movie where i can always learn something about it.

They did an awesome job of capturing that crazed, scattery "where the fuck am I" feel, and just make it with the (as the OP stated) little resources they had. i fucking loved it. i love it when he says "jesus... did i just say that or think it? can they hear me?" i fucking LOVE it. the first time i saw it I was like "FUCK YES THAT'S IT"
i loved it, i loved hell's angels (i think they should make that into a movie) and f&l las vegas was freakin sweet and I absolutely fucking love how good a job they did of turning into into a movie.
his books, but his letters bore me (I fail to see the point in publishing them) and he was a good writer, socially he was awkward (i love those interviews he has on tv where the host is just sucking his asshole and he's just liike "yeah, well, whatever I'm just a guy"

I'd hate to hit the booze with him because he'd turn into a cunt, but fuck i admire him for what he did and just fisted america with his gonzo craziness.

he was a legend in his own right, and a very unique figure for the counter culture of the US.

T

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Raoul Duke: There's a uh, big machine in the sky, some kind of, I dunno, electric snake, coming straight at us.
Dr. Gonzo: Shoot it.
Raoul Duke: Not yet, I want to study its habits.


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bwaha.
best movie ever.

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I'm going to rate a member of this Board for the very first time, and that lucky (or unlucky person, depending on how you look at it I suppose) is YOU.

I'm giving you 5 Mushrooms because:

(1)  You have helped me to learn a lesson (seriously - no bullshit) about myself, and patience, and my slowly improving emotional intelligence

(2)  You have balls (unlike a certain passive aggressive moderator) and I can respect that

(3)  You made an effort to come over to my side, even in the heat of an emotional flaming match, once you perceived a common basis for agreement (this is even more impressive when the subject of agreement - Syd Barrett - had nothing to do with our initial argument)

(4)  You like Syd Barrett

(5)  You obviously read my trip report and commented favorably even in the heat of battle

Tits-up to you, Yage.  This Board needs more people like you, and fewer infantile douche bags who possess a thesaurus and no backbone or intellectual fortitude.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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:blowme:

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Sorry you feel that way. It must suck not getting your required amount of DICK lately.

Good luck with that!


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-no flaming-

Edited by OneMoreRobot3021 (07/01/07 10:32 AM)

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Quote:
Also, he committed suicide, which is a sign to me of gutless cowardice.


More like anyone who lives to old age is a coward because he has chosen to be an old fuck who suffers every day and makes everyone to take care of him rather than kill himself.

You pro-life people make me sick.


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Not Jewish. Not named after a faggotized fruit called a 'kiwi' either. Hooray for me!


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ftw?

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That is definitely the STUPIDEST thing I have seen posted on this Board yet, and that is really saying something.

I have been to Vilnius, and I like the Baltic peoples, but you have just proven that there are poorly developed specimens of human beings everywhere on this planet.

Suicide is selfish, plain and simple. If you can't comprehend that then you have a real problem, or are so driven by the vagaries of a 'death culture' that you really need some form of an adjustment.

BTW, if you think that offing one's self if a classic act of selflessness, then why don't you lead the parade to the extermination chambers?


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i have a lot of respect for people who commit suicide. it's a fallacy to say they are cowardice for doing so, it is a complicated matter that should not be judged by people who don't understand.

live and let die

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Selfish is to DEMAND someone to live if he doesnt want to.
Isnt this a free world? Life/death, your choice.


Maybe samurais in ancient Japan were cowards too? Hardly..


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Quote:
No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun -- for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax -- This won't hurt.


Suicide is a very complex thing which I doubt anyone takes lightly.
Like Hunter Thompson notes in his suicide letter there is no need to get greedy. Death is as intrinsic to life as birth and should not be feared. Should I ever come to a point where I am too old and ill to continue living a decent life without burdening my loved ones then death will be welcome. I have no interest in forcing my friends and family to bear the pain of watching me suffer any sort of slow decay.
I especially dislike anyone who thinks that in such a position one should be forced to cling to life.
Death with dignity.


Fear and Loathing was an excellent movie. As many others have stated there wasn't a need for lots of special effects. The point of the film wasn't to be eye candy. Out of all movies I have ever viewed which were based upon a book I'd say FLLV takes the cake as being the best.
But as the case usually is the book is far more enjoyable than the film. Find a copy and have a read sometime, it is a rather short read but very entertaining.


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Yes, suicide is selfish, unless it's a question of sacrificing one's life for some non-personal goal. In that case it is non-selfish. This was not the case here.

Being selfish is very different from being a coward. It's not the same thing. Some suicides are cowardly, most notably suicide bombers since they are unwilling to live and face their victims after the act. But I don't think all suicides are cowardly acts. In what way exactly was Hunter Thompson's suicide a cowardly act?

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To the Thread Starter: Fear and Loathings beautiful "psychedelia" is as subtle and glaring as a pyschedelic trip. Perhaps you're the type of person only to do "psychedelics for visuals?" In same vanity as watching that movie?
Just my observation being a Terry Gilliam Fanboy;-)


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Edited by Apollyphelion (07/01/07 09:36 AM)

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Did anyone notice about 2/3 the way through the movie. When Hunters out in the desert on the payphone. The thick black smoke in the background moves backwards as the camera zooms in. It moves down towards the source instead of spreading through the air. I thought where they showed the carpet in the Pink Flamingo was really trippy. Watch it tripping if haven't before. Everything in it makes so much sense. (please excuse my misspellings and incomplete sentances, I didn't come on here for grammar lessons)

Later,
Tyler Durden

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The acting was spectacular--they portrayed their drug-fueled mind states incredibly...I just wish there were more visuals and I wish the psychedelic effects that were in themovie weren't so fucking corny as to kind of ruin it :shrug:


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'the trip' was a movie I never saw but heard about. Was it good? As for fear and loathing in las vegas, I thought the movie was really good, I just don't think there was a single 'positive' aspect to the movie. I don't know, it seemed like a bad trip movie. It was more about drug society than it was a special effects trip movie, but yeah, the bathtub scene was trippy as fuck. I don't know, they could've had one of em run naked into the desert or something seeing a bunch of shit and having a regrettable ego reflection trip. Like that scene in beavis and butthead do america where he runs into the desert and eats the peyote. Anyhow, it was one of many movies they could've made. I've always wanted to see one of the movies pink floyd made the soundtrack to besides 'the wall.' I've heard there was a trippy one or some shit.
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Re: Fear and Loathing was lame [Re: JunkFood]
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it is not!


AMAZING acting
followed the book EXTREMELY well
AMAZING old style feel even though it was a late 90's movie


who cares about the visuals...watching movies while tripping is boring...i think that NO movies have cool enough visuals while tripping, because i can make the best visuals in my head


i don't care you you do think you got it, because if you are only looking for visual effects from it then YOU DID NOT GET IT


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I'm not talking about eye candy for tripping I'm talking about conveying the trips they were having in the movie. It's done when the carpet moves and when the lady's head expands and turns into a morray eel but it falls short after that and it's full of corny props/lighting.


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ok i get it sorry



i guess i can see what you mean, but idk...i think the acting makes their tripping experiences more believable...and that old style feel it gives me is awesome...idk man im sorry i came at you with "you dont get it"...shit...haha...you can have your opinion


but do you really think the entire movie is lame because of that?

i couldn't go that far!


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No, I don't think the entire movie was lame--I shouldn't have titled this thread what I did. I also agree with you guys about the old feel it has--it literally looks like it was filmed back in 1970!


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I really didn't get the movie until the end. I must say I am on the mind-expansion side though. I'm honestly afraid the movie did more to scare people from psychedelics than educate or even entertain. I know one woman who after watching the move swore to never do acid ever... Many many years later that has held true. So far the best psychedelic scene I have seen expressed in a movie is The Doors Nico/Warhol party scene.


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LysergicRide said:
I'm honestly afraid the movie did more to scare people from psychedelics than educate or even entertain. I know one woman who after watching the move swore to never do acid ever... Many many years later that has held true.


That's actually irreleveant, though, because it was just a movie of the book, not a movie they decided to make about psychedelics.


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whatever... that's all too technical. It's STILL a movie about tripping that scares people not to do it BUT, if your not willing to educate yourself and do something based on careful planning and experimenting and fact finding and etc. THEN, you probably shouldn't do it really. Psychedelics are crazy, be careful, watch propoganda movies. PEACE


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JunkFood said:
I'm just talking about the special effects in the movie--that's it. They could have been a lot better :shrug:

Here you are going off on a rant in defense of HST :rolleyes:


And here you are making a pointless post stubbornly bitching (like in all of your posts) about something you don't understand or want to try to understand.

Like OMAR said, there's more to tripping than visuals, and the book properly communicates those aspects of psychedelics - odd that you don't like the movie since it follows the book nearly word for word.

Can you think of a film that has a better representation of psychedelic visuals? I didn't think so. This movie was the best of its time regarding the special effects, just because Spiderman 3 has nearly real to life CGI doesn't mean a movie nearly ten years old has to.


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Im gonna say it one more time...


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Short of a few minor location/plot changes it was an excellent adaptation to the book.


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I'd also like to add that I don't think Johnny Depp should have played Hunter Thompson (Raoul Duke).


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JunkFood said:
I'd also like to add that I don't think Johnny Depp should have played Hunter Thompson (Raoul Duke).


Who cares? Hunter S. Thompson handpicked him.

"At one point John Cusack was almost cast, but then Hunter S. Thompson met Johnny Depp, and was convinced no one else could play him. Cusack had previously directed the play version of "Fear and Loathing", with his brother playing Duke.[4]"


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Yeah, I know. The reason I don't think Johnny Depp should have played him is because Johnny Depp made him too sexy...no wonder Hunter Thompson handpicked him :lol:


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I cant imagine FnL without Johnny Depp, Thompson hit right on the spot when picked him.
Besides Depp in his youth did a lot of drugs as well. :stoned:


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He played a too sexy, too animated Thompson. Terry Giliam even said that Depp was "a hyperrealistic version of Hunter" [behind-the-scenes on the regular DVD]; and I don't like that.


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If he was realistic, where's the problem?
And dunno, Depp was like he always is, if you think he was too sexy, ok, lol, thats your opinion, I think he was eccentric as always.. in a good way.


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I don't wanna think of Johnny Depp when I watch that movie, I wanna think of Hunter Thompson. I also hated how they gave a whole bunch of famous actors cameos in the film--especially Cameron Diaz and Tobey Mcguire. It took away from the movie and made it seem all Hollywood.


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I think depp did great. The only thing this movie is meant to educate you about is what happened in the book which is a collection of real events. Their is no real plot. If you want to see the original adaptation Its called "Where the Buffalo Roam" Starring Bill Murray as Hunter and a lot of Willie Nelson music. Not the same as what you will find in Fear and Loathing, but entertaining. Still manages to give the same feel as F&L. F&L is one of my classic favorites.

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lets not forget Lucy played by a young Christina Ricci. I have her autograph. Yeah, im cool.

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