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 dalorean
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#711117 - 06/29/02 12:54 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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i hope there is noone here who thinks we're overpopulating the world..................
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711139 - 06/29/02 01:07 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha, I hope that you made that statement in order to provoke a bunch of respsonses from people who DO think we are overpopulating the world...
Because we ARE! I read a very good article about the state of the world's population in E (Environmental) Magazine once. I don't have it anymore so I can't quote from any of its alarming facts and findings, but it was definitely a scary thing to read.
Most people in the world continue breeding without paying any attention to the fact that we are vastly outgrowing our boundaries. And unfortunately it is a lot of stupid people who are breeding too. Although it was a drastic thing to do, I can't really blame the Chinese government for placing a restriction on how many children their people are allowed to have. It is definitely taking away their most BASIC human rights, but we really really need to start doing something about this problem.
I say fuck finding a cure for AIDS and cancer... We need to just start letting people die. Overpopulation is going to be the downfall of the earth. And then we will probably start moving into outerspace once we can no longer fit/survive here, and we will ruin outer space as well.
I plan to have no children of my own... I would like to adopt one day though.
Overpopulation makes me angry and sad just thinking about it. 
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711143 - 06/29/02 01:08 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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then how come people are starving?? how com america is afraid to let immigrants flood in,, their is a population issue.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: nugsarenice]
#711144 - 06/29/02 01:09 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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we only let 70,000 people immigrate each year.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: nugsarenice]
#711149 - 06/29/02 01:14 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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Isn't something like 2/3rds of the worlds population starving?
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: Revelation]
#711154 - 06/29/02 01:17 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think is one million.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: Revelation]
#711161 - 06/29/02 01:21 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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the world is NOT overpopulating! major cities are overpopulating. look at africa. australia. just south of my town is EMPTY land. peolple just need to move elswhere. you say you read in an environmental magazine that we are overpopulating ouselves, well that explains it. environmentalists are for the animals, and stress that us people are the virus. true, but we are the priority. example, if it was up to a starving human and the last brownbear on earth to live, let the bear DIE!!!! i know this has nothing to do w/ overpopulation, but still, we have plenty of room to live in this vast earth. people just have to LOOK!!!!!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711163 - 06/29/02 01:22 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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their may be room to live, but not eat!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: nugsarenice]
#711166 - 06/29/02 01:24 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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then we should eat the worthless people who are taking up space, like the ENVIRONMENTALISTS!!!! or them damn spics who migrate from mexico to sell their damn coke! but i doubt they taste good.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: Revelation]
#711168 - 06/29/02 01:28 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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Starvation... Now that is a problem that could be fixed, if only we cared enough. America (and many other developed countries) is a nation of meat-eaters. We cut down countless trees to make more and more room to house and grow food for our cattle and other livestock. If we used all the land that we use to grow food for our cows to grow grains and other things like that to feed humans instead, the problem of starvation would be practically non-existant. But, alas, most Americans just MUST have their meat and cannot live without it. It's a sad thing really b/c the people who can't live without their meat are also dying because of the heart disease and cancer that it brings them.
I don't really have a problem with this though, for at least it is helping to decrease the world's population. And it is the greedy ones who can't go without meat who are killing themselves.
But anyway... I will stop ranting about my eating beliefs... If you're interested though, you should read Diet For A New America by John Robbins. Very very good, eye-opening book. Gives lots of good, scientific facts and findings about some of the things I have mentioned.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711184 - 06/29/02 01:38 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really don't even want to respond to someone who made such an asenine and racist comment as:
then we should eat the worthless people who are taking up space, like the ENVIRONMENTALISTS!!!! or them damn spics who migrate from mexico to sell their damn coke! but i doubt they taste good.
But here goes....
You say there are a lot of spaces that are not overpopulated, and we should just move into them? Well, we are doing that. It's called urban sprawl. The major cities are becoming too crowded and more and more people are having to move into more rural areas.
And you see nothing wrong with this?? Soon there will be no untamed wilderness left. No forests, no wetlands, no prairies or jungles. Everything will become one massive expanse of concrete. The air will become too polluted to breathe, the water too polluted to drink. The human race will die a long, lonely death; for most other animal species will probably die off long before us.
Have you never delighted at the sound of birds in the morning? Have you never taken a walk through the woods and felt refreshed and cleansed? Have you never gone fishing in a sparkling stream? Imagine a world in which none of these things existed. Just a writhing mass of humans, struggling to survive in the wasteland they have created.
I just can't believe a human in this day an age could actually have an attitude such as yours. It saddens me deeply 
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711262 - 06/29/02 02:33 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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Starvation is the reason why the world is overpopulated. There is not enough of it!
I know it sounds bad, but its true. Trees in a forest will only grow as dense as the available sunlight permits. Humans have devised ingenious ways of efficiantly channelling energy in order to sustain more life. This is analogous to setting up mirrors all around the forest to increase the amount of light that the trees have which will, in turn, increase the population. The only problem is that the dirt does not have enough nutrients to sustain such an imbalanced ecosystem...
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: Catalysis]
#711278 - 06/29/02 02:46 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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As politically incorrect as it is...you are correct. Increasing food production to feed an increased population results in yet another increase in population. This is the way of the earth, but we feel that humans are somehow exempt from this...it's a law that we feel we are somehow outside of. But we are not. And this is what we will learn.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: Revelation]
#711325 - 06/29/02 03:12 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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only certain countries are resulting in starvation. but most are not. mcdonalds corperations throw away lbs and lbs of edible food a day just cuz us picky americans don't like onions on our cheeseburgers. some countries value every drop of water available, while others take for granted the gallons and gallons of water wasted in a long, relaxing shower. we just need to learn how to balance this all out. same for overpopulation. stop expanding overgrown cities and start new civilizations elsewhere. as for forests to "preserve" and shit like that i aint getting into cuz i cant stand environmentalists. and i do apologize for my comments, just showing level intensity of my opinoin. forgive me please.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711350 - 06/29/02 03:28 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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besides. like any of us alive are going to witness this world overpopulate. why worry? and for them starving countries, you can blame their government, not the "lack of land" to grow. not to mention a good 90% of overall world forest are not even logged. theres more than enough to go around in this world. the key is balance. we over stress one area and leave others untouched.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711351 - 06/29/02 03:28 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't understand the dislike a lot of people have towards environmentalism. I suppose it must, as these things usually do, come back to a few isolated incidents of extremism. Envrionmentalism is simply the efforts to "protect air, water, animals, plants, and other natural resources" (from my dictionary). It is ultimately in humankind's best interest to protect its environment. Even if you think every non-human life-form is repulsive, you must understand that in the interest of self-preservation--your own survival--those life-forms need to be kept around, in a functioning ecology.
If you don't want to entertain possibilities of ecological disaster, I don't blame you--it's depressing. But hell, don't rip on environmentalism.
Oh, and nugs, I think one BILLION is more like it. 1.2 billion people are literally starving to death.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711358 - 06/29/02 03:31 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it wasn't for "environmentalists" or better put, people who care about the environment, this world would be much more polluted in my opinion. ie no laws against pollution and no awareness of the problems.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: hongomon]
#711370 - 06/29/02 03:35 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're right. environmentalism does have its benefits. but they stress it too far. masses of people lose jobs over them. again i stress the balance theory. nothing wrong w/ environmentalists so long they stop bending the boundaries and pushing every effort to save "endangered" animals. environmentalists are EXTREME to the point. they use every legal loop hole to get their way, no matter what the damage is that they do. they want forests to be untouched. cause of this forest rangers can't thin out forests and clean forest floors to prevent fires that otherwise burn out of control because they want forests to be left alone. resulting in NO forests due to emense amounts of flammable material left in the forest(speaking out of wildfire in AZ) the prob w/ them is they went so overboard w/ their bs they are reversing thier efforts. practically.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711385 - 06/29/02 03:40 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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as for forests to "preserve" and shit like that i aint getting into cuz i cant stand environmentalists.
You can't stand environmentalists? First off, claiming that you hate an entire group of people is quite a drastic and ignorant thing to say. Many environmentalists are the most caring, loving people you could ever meet. How can you hate a person like that?
And secondly, it sounds to me like you are not going to get into the issue of these forests we need to "preserve" because you have no basis whatsoever to make an argument for yourself besides your prejudiced beliefs. The forests were here long before us, and once the Native Americans lived in harmony with and respected the land. Forests are amazingly intricate ecosystems of life, from their towering trees to the tiny fungi that grow on fallen logs and perpetuate the cycle of life and death. If you ever spend time in a forest, you will see how everything is connected and everything works together in harmony like the most intricate spider web you will ever see.
The forests also give us the air we breathe, and over 50% of our medecines. And you think there is no need to "preserve" them? We have no right to destroy these forests, nor any other wild places. We do not need to destroy them to survive; we can live quite well in harmony with them.
The human race needs to stop being a virus and spreading its deadly infection of concrete and cars, pollutants and poisons.
If we don't preserve the forests and other wild places, we will not be able to live any longer, much less have a reason to live. At least in my opinion.
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 Re: world overpopulation [Re: RebelSteve33]
#711398 - 06/29/02 03:48 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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The world is not over populated.
There is room for plenty more. And about starvation...people wouldn't be starving if we just learned to live within the cycle of the Earth. At one point there were so few humans that almost nothing we did could exhaust the Earth. This is not so anymore and we are exhausting the Earth.
Like I said there is not enough food to go around because people are not in harmony with the Earth. An easy answer is to readjust your diet to have more grain and less meat...there are many other, slightly more complex answers.
As always, this is just my opinion.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711402 - 06/29/02 03:50 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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besides. like any of us alive are going to witness this world overpopulate. why worry?
This, my friend, is a very very very BAD way of thinking! You are not going to be around to see the world die, so you don't think you should care what you do to it? What about your children and your grand-children? Do you not want to make this planet a good place for them to live?
It is apathy like this which has got us where we are today... In a world where you can't eat fish from the streams b/c they are too poisoned, and in some cities you can not go outside because of the smog. PLEASE WAKE UP! We need to CARE... We need to think about the future and make it a better place for our children to live! Imagine, if people had not started to notice how we were beginning to pollute the earth, if people hadn't CARED about the future of our race and began to make certain environmental laws, WE might not even be here having this discussion!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711422 - 06/29/02 03:58 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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then we should eat the worthless people who are taking up space, like the ENVIRONMENTALISTS!!!! or them damn spics who migrate from mexico to sell their damn coke! but i doubt they taste good.
IMO, this is a rediculous statement....Here is why...who says these people are worthless? You? Who are you?
You generalize that all people who are environmentalists should be eatin and that all people from Mexico are here to sell coke...You are not even bothering to get to know millions of people before you judge them to the point of saying they should die. This man EMBRACES the exact same philosophy as Adolf Hitler.
You are free to believe whatever you believe and to express that, as you have done. So, I just express mine as well...
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you are funny rebelsteve, cuz you say my statement about not worrying is a bad way of thinking when you are the one saying that people should be dieing off to less populate the earth? you are just eating your words there. now don't get me wrong. i love nature people. i enjoy being able to walk in the woods, specially while endulged in a natural grown chemical that we all hang out on this post for, i love it. i love the beach, traveling, seeing this wonderful world. its all great. as for environmentalists caring. they only care about one thing and that is keeping people OUT of the natural forests and land of this earth. they care about this earth, but they dont care about people. they don't care if papermills get closed down and hundreds of people lose work. so long as its for the great benefit to preserve forests. now THIS, my friends, is when environmentalists take it a bit far. comprimise to where the mills can still take forest land and produce to keep people supporting their families, but yet to benefit the growth fo the forests. people DO have a negative impact on our forests, but not as bad as we think. there is still lots of forest land. trees get re-planted in exchange of their takings. things really aint all that bad and environmentalists act as if its the last 100 acres of forest in the world and we have to save it. theres still lots and lots of land. as far as animals, they really don't care where they live. so long they are safe, have food, some sort of shelter, and able to reproduce. when human houses are abandoned, who moves in? the animals! they don't care that much, and i think envrironmentalists are babying them a bit. and i aint bashing animals. i love animals to death! fact is people have to live too, so we need to all live together in a circle of life. we take from the earth to benefit us. but we give to the earth also. all my bitching and nagging is to get in one place, and that is that we are way overestimating human damage to the earth. this world is still a big, beautiful miracle which was created to console life and that is exactly what it does, has been doing, and will be doing for a long, long time. all you are coming from a tree hugging position, so you should understand that this earth is not as fragile as we estimate it to be. environmentalists are studiers of the environment and earth in general. so they should understand that this earth can handle anything that is thrown at it. global warming is an overstatement, overpopulation is an overstatement. as far as food to go around, its there. there is nothing wrong with whats happening. so long as we keep trying to do better. but some of us are just trying to hard(hence, environmentalists). they're doing thier job. just too hard.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711637 - 06/29/02 05:24 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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please don't think i'm trying to start intense arguments. it always turns out that way. i need to learn to explain myself better  thanks for the comments anyways!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
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In reply to:
they care about this earth, but they dont care about people. they don't care if papermills get closed down and hundreds of people lose work. so long as its for the great benefit to preserve forests. now THIS, my friends, is when environmentalists take it a bit far
very well said.
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 Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
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dalorean... have you ever researched your narrow minded views on deforestation and 'environmentalists'.... if you are going to express these opinions, then it pays to be knowledgeable about what you are actually saying...
the world IS overpopulated... with humans.. if we were different, more intelligent and evolved as a whole we might be able to live in harmony with our environment, and the world wouldnt be overpopulated, but our current attitudes and actions are not compatible with a sustainable environment... humans dont come first above everything else, what do we have left if we destroy whole ecological systems?
we are 98% related to those bonobos' and chimpanzees' we keep in the zoo... we were them a few million years ago... what right do we have to exploit and destroy them? just because we're a tad smarter, we think we can infest the world and change it to how it suits us, blinded by our obsession with money and 'advancing the economy'... who the fuck cares about the economy... there are more important things to do then accumulate and horde material possessions.... we dont take any of our earnings with us when we die...
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they use every legal loop hole to get their way, no matter what the damage is that they do.
??? have you ever heard of John DeLorean? i thought you might have.... he was as crooked as they come.. exploiting government funds of poor nations to fund his crap cars and cocaine addiction... yes... not just 'spics' traffik cocaine my friend...
it doesnt matter who use legal loop holes, these laws were created by man, therefore they can be changed by man... just like the good ole paper mills would exploit the law in order to pump as much of their raw waste byproducts into the environment as possible so they dont have to pay to get it treated and disposed of... would you like to live downstream of one of these mills? probably not eh
people DO have a negative impact on our forests, but not as bad as we think. there is still lots of forest land. trees get re-planted in exchange of their takings. things really aint all that bad and environmentalists act as if its the last 100 acres of forest in the world and we have to save it. theres still lots and lots of land
yes trees get replaced by the companies that own the land because they want more trees and more money right...these cloned forests are not advanced ecosystems, they arent as important as rainforests, this is where the real deforestation issues lie.. south east asia and the amazon, this is where the majority of our oxygen gets produced... these get felled at ridiculous amounts every day, once you cut these trees down in the rainforest, they dont grow back, not for a million years plus anyway... the rainforests are a fragile ecosystem, and are formed on shit soil.. chop down the trees, and the resultant land is arid waste, read up on the slash and burn techniques used in these areas and maybe you will understand.... educate yourself first.... then criticise
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#712625 - 06/30/02 05:36 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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As long as America isnt over populated who gives a fuck!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: The_Clash_UK]
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"As long as America isnt over populated who gives a fuck!"
Wow in a thread started by an idiot this is damn near the STUPIDEST thing I have ever seen in print besides the bible.
and delorean is about as close to "george w. bush stupid" (yes that is a phrase I use in daily life) as ive seen on this forum. I love when a moron can get on places like this and make an ass of himself to the amusement of the rest of us. Thanks delorean and clash UK. now I do not have to watch any jerry springer this week.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
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this thread has dramatically gone from overpopulation to environmental issues. its funny cuz you think i take on one side of the fight and am provoking responses from tree huggers around the world. and all of you continue to stay on one side of this fight which is obviousely the tree hugging side. all you fuckers think i'm agianst nature and for humantity. and i only get the feeling that all of you are for nature, and against man. how can you be against yourselves? all you who bitch and bitch about the world being overpopulated and that we're destroying the environment are all full of it. all of you live in houses that were made from the trees you worship all of you are human. and if you think people are the prob, then kill yourselves, god damnit. how can you go on and on and on about how people are the problem, yet you are an existing one yourself, many of you w/ children of your own! if you don't think people are important(which is the only impression i get from all of you) then why do you still live the life that HUMANS maintain? hypocritical statements fill the air from you bozos. and you say i aint done my research? well i sure aint the only one cuz none of you have solid ground to walk on cuz you're still bitching. how can people like you take natures side 100% and knock humanity so hard when you are human yourself? you guys don't make sense any more than i do. we are all a bunch of arguing dumb asses. but at least i still support people, and not the dumb chimps that we aint even related to(you better not believe in the big bang, either).
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
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fact is people and nature need to live together, able to maintain both sides of vitality. niether side can be placed under more importance than the other. but all of you put nature on the top and people on the bottom. this is the point i'm trying to point out, that you have your priorities funnied up. alright, tree huggers? go hug your best friend or wife, and you'll appreciate them hella more than a tree. people hug back.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#712819 - 06/30/02 08:52 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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this thread has dramatically gone from overpopulation to environmental issues
Sorry, Dalorean, but overpopulation IS an environmental issue!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
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"as for environmentalists caring. they only care about one thing and that is keeping people OUT of the natural forests and land of this earth. they care about this earth, but they dont care about people."
This is far too sweeping of a statement, dude. Ecotourism, to list one example, is an environmentalist movement, and it pushes for RESPONSIBLE, SUSTAINABLE access to nature.
"...So we need to all live together in a circle of life."
You're absolutely right. That is what environmentalism is about.
"environmentalists are studiers of the environment and earth in general. so they should understand that this earth can handle anything that is thrown at it."
I hate to break it to you, but that is definitely NOT their conclusion. I'm trying to imagine how you would react if your doctor told you your lifestyle was going to shorten your life.
"there is nothing wrong with whats happening."
dalorean, where do you get this? I would love to be convinced. Seriously, you waver from a "environmentalism is important and all" position to a "environmentalists are screwing things up!" position.
I agree that, in theory, the earth can sustain six billion people, even more. But obviously it can't given how things are, so how you can say "nothing wrong is happening" is hard to understand.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: postalboy]
#712877 - 06/30/02 09:32 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know The Clash UK, so I could be completely wrong, but maybe his comment was sarcastic. I can't imagine too many Brits saying that seriously.
As for dalorean, maybe he'll give it some more thought. It's a tough call, because part of me can't blame people for being in denial about the state of things, but another part of me just wishes to hell we could turn it around. And that won't happen unless we face it.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: hongomon]
#712878 - 06/30/02 09:34 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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whas up man,, you trying to chill at the beach? give me a pm.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#713037 - 06/30/02 10:47 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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all of you live in houses that were made from the trees you worship all of you are human. and if you think people are the prob, then kill yourselves, god damnit. how can you go on and on and on about how people are the problem, yet you are an existing one yourself, many of you w/ children of your own! if you don't think people are important(which is the only impression i get from all of you) then why do you still live the life that HUMANS maintain? hypocritical statements fill the air from you bozos
once again.. very well said
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: postalboy]
#713040 - 06/30/02 10:48 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow in a thread started by an idiot this is damn near the STUPIDEST thing I have ever seen in print besides the bible.
haha! u gotta love that!
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whatever people. i still thing environmentalists got a corn cob stuck up thier asses. they are serving thier purpose, but are pushing things too far. and you people stand up for that. thats what bugs me. i'll never forgive them for causing our local papermill to shut down and innocent victims like my old man losing thier jobs for the spoils of the spotted owl. it not right.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#713112 - 06/30/02 11:30 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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whatever people. i still thing environmentalists got a corn cob stuck up thier asses. they are serving thier purpose, but are pushing things too far. and you people stand up for that. thats what bugs me. i'll never forgive them for causing our local papermill to shut down and innocent victims like my old man losing thier jobs for the spoils of the spotted owl. it not right.
Environmentalists are like any other group...their are "good" ones and "bad" ones. Their are radicals and then there are the more laid-back. Please don't judge and entire group of people based on the handful of people in your town.
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all of you live in houses that were made from the trees you worship all of you are human. and if you think people are the prob, then kill yourselves, god damnit. how can you go on and on and on about how people are the problem, yet you are an existing one yourself, many of you w/ children of your own! if you don't think people are important(which is the only impression i get from all of you) then why do you still live the life that HUMANS maintain? hypocritical statements fill the air from you bozos
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"once again.. very well said"
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I disagree entirely. Are you saying that if a person believes in protecting the environment, that person should live naked in a cave? You sound more and more ridiculous with every post, dalorean.
Please direct me to what part of this thread gave you the impression that "we" (still generalizing, I see) think people aren't important.
But this all comes down to the paper mill, doesn't it? Sorry about your old man. But I'm even more sorry that you have let your bitterness skew your judgement so completely.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#713200 - 06/30/02 12:10 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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this thread has dramatically gone from overpopulation to environmental issues
dramatic indeed, they are one and the same billy boy
and i only get the feeling that all of you are for nature, and against man. how can you be against yourselves?
there are many good people in the world... however not all men are equal in their attitudes, there needs to be a turnaround in human behaviour in relation to our environment.... it isnt a renewable resource... do you realise that in 200 years at this rate, homo sapiens are all going to be dead? cant you see this is a problem...? can you crawl out of your ass and acknowledge the fact that the way we are brought up and the way society is configured is wrong? The only reason this isnt enacted is because its going to take a downturn in the economy to realise, and countries like america can afford to do this without suffering but will only do so if public opinion forces them... they pretend to appease so excess indignation will not come their way... its people like you who fuel your corrupt machine, and people like you who are going to kill humanity, not greenies
how can people like you take natures side 100% and knock humanity so hard when you are human yourself?
wake up and realise that tree huggers are trying to protect the human race!!!!! they are more forward thinking than your mill working ass and are trying to save humans long term. think about what others are saying.. use your head
the only reason im telling you this is because you are at the shroomery and share a common interest in mind expanding drugs and should be able to acknowledge the difference between morally right and wrong... i can understand your anger at paper mills been shut down because of greenies, but if this doesnt happen, where is it going to end? the only way we are going to survive long term is going to be through protection of the very places that we are destroying, we cannot just abuse them , then conjure up a cure, nature doesnt work like this...... as steve said... theres a whole lot more to a forest than the trees... ;]
but at least i still support people, and not the dumb chimps that we aint even related to(you better not believe in the big bang, either).
you mean evolution I take it? tell me are you a radical creationist or christian?
the big bang is a seperate theory from evolution boyo... and give me some reasons as to why i should disregard the fossil record, genetical heridity, pan-cultural features and our heritage? otherwise, its important to have proof of what you are saying, not just to regurgitate the main thrust of some redneck journalists column...
serum albumin and dna hybridisation tests have shown human dna to be 98% identical to chimpanzees.... we shared a common ancestor with these 'dumb chimps'... do you know that they can be taught sign language... hey AMERICAN sign language !!! and can teach other apes signs? the only reason that we are more advanced than these individuals is because we graduated to two legs rather than four... and this wasnt very long ago...
30 000 years ago, our close relatives the neandertals... homo neanderthal died out because of wamer temperatures ... if he was alive today, would you be as prejudice towards these hominids? they lived in groups, they communicated with each other, they felt fear, anger, joy, pain, sorrow all of it, just like us, they buried their dead with possessions, they created art, they even walked on two legs, but they were not as flexible as us, and couldnt adapt to change in the environment so they died out... they even had larger brains then us, and their most recognisable difference was only a bigger nose, they might even work at the mill with you if they were alive today.... would you want to destroy them because they arent as good as you..?
when darwin released his theory of evolution, it was abhorred by people like you because suddenly we werent gods special litte creatures, we were just as good as anything else alive...
bring on your creationist arguments, it might pay to research beforehand tho, and educate yourself as you wouldnt want to make a bigger fool of yourself...
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: deepr]
#713233 - 06/30/02 12:21 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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PsilocibicMind, take note: THIS is a good post.
(edit: um, meaning deepr's...)
Edited by hongomon (06/30/02 01:01 PM)
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: deepr]
#713238 - 06/30/02 12:23 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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okay. i leap before i look. but i was thrown a harsh impression of enviro's when growing up. and obviously noone agrees w/ me on anything. so shoot me in the head over it.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#713247 - 06/30/02 12:31 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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okay. i leap before i look. but i was thrown a harsh impression of enviro's when growing up. and obviously noone agrees w/ me on anything. so shoot me in the head over it.
Excuse me if I don't shoot you in the head  . To be honest admitting that you "leap before you look" impresses me very much...if everyone could admit their faults and try to grow from them the world would be even more enjoyable then it is.
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Edited by Shroomalicious (06/30/02 12:32 PM)
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#713304 - 06/30/02 01:12 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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"and obviously noone agrees w/ me on anything. so shoot me in the head over it."
Would you settle for a kick in the butt? 
I did agree with you, and I said so. I think you have a good idea of a more responsible way of life, which is what environmentalism is, but that you've been rubbed wrong by environmentalist activism, and so you resist the idea entirely.
To take this thread in a new direction--what do you think could/should be done to accomodate people, towns, economies that are displaced, as your father was, by moves to protect the environment?
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: hongomon]
#713378 - 06/30/02 02:00 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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Life on earth will survive everything we put it through. Humans won't be around to see it though.
And anyway, what are the benefits of living the destructive lifestyle we do now? Why should our species go through a long and painful extinction for the sake of a few old white men? Money isn't a requirement for life.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: findbuddha]
#713403 - 06/30/02 02:23 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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like i mentioned before. balance is the key. its fine to take from the forest and use it for economical benefits, as long as we can be preservative at the way we approach this. giving back the equal amount that we take so we don't dent the car. we just put a new fender on it! or even give it a whole new engine! this is the way i wish the world could work. keep things level on both sides of the plane. things always tend to lean on one side or the other. emence logging, rapid reproducing, and lunchie munchies are obviousely doing more harm then good. but solitair forests, virgins running around, and skinny winnies will only stall vitality and get us nowhere. theres a calm place in the center of the tornado that humanity needs to settle in. otherwise we get whooshed away.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#713405 - 06/30/02 02:24 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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and like i said before. i wish not to get on the wrong foot w/ all you and be a stubborn ass. cuz i too wish for a perfect world.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#713415 - 06/30/02 02:30 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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emence logging, rapid reproducing, and lunchie munchies are obviousely doing more harm then good. but solitair forests, virgins running around, and skinny winnies will only stall vitality and get us nowhere
thats a relief... you are crazy...;]
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: hongomon]
#714416 - 06/30/02 08:42 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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very well hongomon , you are entitled to your opinon, but i read the statement as it is.. and i stand by what i wrote...
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And locusts and frogs
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Is this the life of a Mushroom
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#714432 - 06/30/02 08:49 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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and obviously noone agrees w/ me on anything.
umm.... no comment
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: hongomon]
#714472 - 06/30/02 09:08 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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balance is the key.
Amen.
what do you think could/should be done to accomodate people, towns, economies that are displaced
I think we should devise a system so those people are offered other jobs. Easier said than done, but do-able.
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Right on. I can't argue with that.
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"I think we should devise a system so those people are offered other jobs. Easier said than done, but do-able."
I agree whole-heartedly! And if environmentalism doesn't find a way to accomodate this idea, it's shooting itself in the foot.
Sustainable living, from solar power to organic foods, will be a big part of our future economy--I don't see why there can't be a transition.
(edit: oh, and "balance is the key", which I completely agree with, was dalorean's comment. (no doubt you knew this, I just wanted to point it out, cause it's what it's all about.)
Edited by hongomon (06/30/02 11:01 PM)
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: hongomon]
#715450 - 07/01/02 10:00 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes....what ever you people said!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: RebelSteve33]
#719474 - 07/03/02 03:34 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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I say fuck finding a cure for AIDS and cancer... We need to just start letting people die.
great, so we'll let all the africans, chinese, indians and various other miserable poverty stricken people die, and maybe once they're all or mostly dead then we can go drill for oil in their countries too. 
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#719476 - 07/03/02 03:37 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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my bro was just saying before something about the amount of grain or whatever that can be grown in the area used for cattle farming, and how if all humans on earth were vegetarian there'd be enough room for many billions more of us. interesting, but not going to happen soon i guess.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: Traveller]
#719562 - 07/03/02 05:16 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok i should read threads before posting.
one more thing i read in the paper a couple of days ago was saying that X number of species go extinct EVERY HOUR.
I live in Tokyo, last friday i came back from several months travel around thailand, cambodia, india and nepal, finished up on a nice island in south thailand. last night on my way to a friend's party i passed a drink vending machine (one of many thousands in this city, it's not unusual to see 10 in a row selling basically the same drinks. each one uses the equivalent of about 60% of an average household's electricity every day) making a horrible loud winding kind of noise. freaked me out, suddenly i looked up and around and realised that i was completely surrounded by machines, concrete and metal, up above me was a train going past, lights everywhere, not a single plant or animal in sight, just lots and lots of humans, even the ground here is completely covered in tar sealing.
i prefer the beach.
oh yeah if you want to see some of the problems caused by overpopulation you should go to india. it might not be overpopulated where you are, but in the places where it is things are pretty fucking grim.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: Traveller]
#732778 - 07/09/02 01:33 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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dalorean.....I won't even begin to try to write all the things I was thinking while reading your posts....you have some strange morals / ethical beliefs (not to mention ignorance / arrogance!)....I think it is strange to see you on the shroomery message board, I'd think that most people here would have evaluated morals etc. a lot more, you still go on about 'good' and 'bad' and 'important' etc as if they are set in stone. (Hey at least you admitted you were biting off more than you could chew, or whatever) Maybe you need to see the bigger picture, you gotta realise that catering to the needs of every human being is not the way to save the world. I think that the world IS overpopulated although I really have no opinions either way on this as I do accept EVERYTHING as natural, even humanity and its byproducts, but as others have said if we keep going at the rate we are going now, we will be fucked within a couple of centuries.
And what are you saying about forests being 90% unlogged? This sounds awfully high to me, although I do not have a more reliable figure to replace it with but I do know that here in NZ native forests are getting very thinned there are only a few pockets of decent native bush remaining, as for the rest of the land it is covered in PINE trees which they forgot to tell the people that after three generations of pine the soil is totally fucked, and will not support native growth again for MANY years.
Another thing, you always go on about 'tree huggers' well fuck, this is not the be all and end all of environmentalism. I think environmentalism is great they are the only ones who take in the bigger picture and focus on long-term survival of not only humans but of everything else too. Just cause your poor old dad lost his job at the wood mill doesn't mean you have to get all bitter about it, that is just fuckin stupid, you need to realise that your pop is just another person and we can't save everyone, that is what we've been doing and thats why we are destroying the earth. So if I think this should I kill myself? It is a pretty good idea, but if I was going to do that for population reduction reasons, I would be sure to take down plenty of people with me, get some AK 47's maybe build some bombs and whatnot, which I can't really be fucked doing, since I don't believe that its my right to harm / kill anyone.
But anyway congradulations on your controversial post, I just hope that you actually think about what these other people have to say and also I think you should stop yourself sometimes and just check to make sure you're not just spurtin bullshit you've read in propoganda pamphlets from the mill workers union or your dads drunken anti-greenie friends. Haha.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#751207 - 07/16/02 02:29 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please,the universe is expanding to accomadate us.
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