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 RebelSteve33
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 Re: world overpopulation  [Re: dalorean]
#711402 - 06/29/02 03:50 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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besides. like any of us alive are going to witness this world overpopulate. why worry?
This, my friend, is a very very very BAD way of thinking! You are not going to be around to see the world die, so you don't think you should care what you do to it? What about your children and your grand-children? Do you not want to make this planet a good place for them to live?
It is apathy like this which has got us where we are today... In a world where you can't eat fish from the streams b/c they are too poisoned, and in some cities you can not go outside because of the smog. PLEASE WAKE UP! We need to CARE... We need to think about the future and make it a better place for our children to live! Imagine, if people had not started to notice how we were beginning to pollute the earth, if people hadn't CARED about the future of our race and began to make certain environmental laws, WE might not even be here having this discussion!
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 Shroomalicious
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 Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711422 - 06/29/02 03:58 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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then we should eat the worthless people who are taking up space, like the ENVIRONMENTALISTS!!!! or them damn spics who migrate from mexico to sell their damn coke! but i doubt they taste good.
IMO, this is a rediculous statement....Here is why...who says these people are worthless? You? Who are you?
You generalize that all people who are environmentalists should be eatin and that all people from Mexico are here to sell coke...You are not even bothering to get to know millions of people before you judge them to the point of saying they should die. This man EMBRACES the exact same philosophy as Adolf Hitler.
You are free to believe whatever you believe and to express that, as you have done. So, I just express mine as well...
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dalorean
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you are funny rebelsteve, cuz you say my statement about not worrying is a bad way of thinking when you are the one saying that people should be dieing off to less populate the earth? you are just eating your words there. now don't get me wrong. i love nature people. i enjoy being able to walk in the woods, specially while endulged in a natural grown chemical that we all hang out on this post for, i love it. i love the beach, traveling, seeing this wonderful world. its all great. as for environmentalists caring. they only care about one thing and that is keeping people OUT of the natural forests and land of this earth. they care about this earth, but they dont care about people. they don't care if papermills get closed down and hundreds of people lose work. so long as its for the great benefit to preserve forests. now THIS, my friends, is when environmentalists take it a bit far. comprimise to where the mills can still take forest land and produce to keep people supporting their families, but yet to benefit the growth fo the forests. people DO have a negative impact on our forests, but not as bad as we think. there is still lots of forest land. trees get re-planted in exchange of their takings. things really aint all that bad and environmentalists act as if its the last 100 acres of forest in the world and we have to save it. theres still lots and lots of land. as far as animals, they really don't care where they live. so long they are safe, have food, some sort of shelter, and able to reproduce. when human houses are abandoned, who moves in? the animals! they don't care that much, and i think envrironmentalists are babying them a bit. and i aint bashing animals. i love animals to death! fact is people have to live too, so we need to all live together in a circle of life. we take from the earth to benefit us. but we give to the earth also. all my bitching and nagging is to get in one place, and that is that we are way overestimating human damage to the earth. this world is still a big, beautiful miracle which was created to console life and that is exactly what it does, has been doing, and will be doing for a long, long time. all you are coming from a tree hugging position, so you should understand that this earth is not as fragile as we estimate it to be. environmentalists are studiers of the environment and earth in general. so they should understand that this earth can handle anything that is thrown at it. global warming is an overstatement, overpopulation is an overstatement. as far as food to go around, its there. there is nothing wrong with whats happening. so long as we keep trying to do better. but some of us are just trying to hard(hence, environmentalists). they're doing thier job. just too hard.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711637 - 06/29/02 05:24 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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please don't think i'm trying to start intense arguments. it always turns out that way. i need to learn to explain myself better  thanks for the comments anyways!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#711724 - 06/29/02 06:02 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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they care about this earth, but they dont care about people. they don't care if papermills get closed down and hundreds of people lose work. so long as its for the great benefit to preserve forests. now THIS, my friends, is when environmentalists take it a bit far
very well said.
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 Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#712313 - 06/29/02 10:08 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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dalorean... have you ever researched your narrow minded views on deforestation and 'environmentalists'.... if you are going to express these opinions, then it pays to be knowledgeable about what you are actually saying...
the world IS overpopulated... with humans.. if we were different, more intelligent and evolved as a whole we might be able to live in harmony with our environment, and the world wouldnt be overpopulated, but our current attitudes and actions are not compatible with a sustainable environment... humans dont come first above everything else, what do we have left if we destroy whole ecological systems?
we are 98% related to those bonobos' and chimpanzees' we keep in the zoo... we were them a few million years ago... what right do we have to exploit and destroy them? just because we're a tad smarter, we think we can infest the world and change it to how it suits us, blinded by our obsession with money and 'advancing the economy'... who the fuck cares about the economy... there are more important things to do then accumulate and horde material possessions.... we dont take any of our earnings with us when we die...
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they use every legal loop hole to get their way, no matter what the damage is that they do.
??? have you ever heard of John DeLorean? i thought you might have.... he was as crooked as they come.. exploiting government funds of poor nations to fund his crap cars and cocaine addiction... yes... not just 'spics' traffik cocaine my friend...
it doesnt matter who use legal loop holes, these laws were created by man, therefore they can be changed by man... just like the good ole paper mills would exploit the law in order to pump as much of their raw waste byproducts into the environment as possible so they dont have to pay to get it treated and disposed of... would you like to live downstream of one of these mills? probably not eh
people DO have a negative impact on our forests, but not as bad as we think. there is still lots of forest land. trees get re-planted in exchange of their takings. things really aint all that bad and environmentalists act as if its the last 100 acres of forest in the world and we have to save it. theres still lots and lots of land
yes trees get replaced by the companies that own the land because they want more trees and more money right...these cloned forests are not advanced ecosystems, they arent as important as rainforests, this is where the real deforestation issues lie.. south east asia and the amazon, this is where the majority of our oxygen gets produced... these get felled at ridiculous amounts every day, once you cut these trees down in the rainforest, they dont grow back, not for a million years plus anyway... the rainforests are a fragile ecosystem, and are formed on shit soil.. chop down the trees, and the resultant land is arid waste, read up on the slash and burn techniques used in these areas and maybe you will understand.... educate yourself first.... then criticise
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#712625 - 06/30/02 05:36 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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As long as America isnt over populated who gives a fuck!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: The_Clash_UK]
#712650 - 06/30/02 06:04 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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"As long as America isnt over populated who gives a fuck!"
Wow in a thread started by an idiot this is damn near the STUPIDEST thing I have ever seen in print besides the bible.
and delorean is about as close to "george w. bush stupid" (yes that is a phrase I use in daily life) as ive seen on this forum. I love when a moron can get on places like this and make an ass of himself to the amusement of the rest of us. Thanks delorean and clash UK. now I do not have to watch any jerry springer this week.
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dalorean
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#712741 - 06/30/02 07:46 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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this thread has dramatically gone from overpopulation to environmental issues. its funny cuz you think i take on one side of the fight and am provoking responses from tree huggers around the world. and all of you continue to stay on one side of this fight which is obviousely the tree hugging side. all you fuckers think i'm agianst nature and for humantity. and i only get the feeling that all of you are for nature, and against man. how can you be against yourselves? all you who bitch and bitch about the world being overpopulated and that we're destroying the environment are all full of it. all of you live in houses that were made from the trees you worship all of you are human. and if you think people are the prob, then kill yourselves, god damnit. how can you go on and on and on about how people are the problem, yet you are an existing one yourself, many of you w/ children of your own! if you don't think people are important(which is the only impression i get from all of you) then why do you still live the life that HUMANS maintain? hypocritical statements fill the air from you bozos. and you say i aint done my research? well i sure aint the only one cuz none of you have solid ground to walk on cuz you're still bitching. how can people like you take natures side 100% and knock humanity so hard when you are human yourself? you guys don't make sense any more than i do. we are all a bunch of arguing dumb asses. but at least i still support people, and not the dumb chimps that we aint even related to(you better not believe in the big bang, either).
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#712750 - 06/30/02 07:57 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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fact is people and nature need to live together, able to maintain both sides of vitality. niether side can be placed under more importance than the other. but all of you put nature on the top and people on the bottom. this is the point i'm trying to point out, that you have your priorities funnied up. alright, tree huggers? go hug your best friend or wife, and you'll appreciate them hella more than a tree. people hug back.
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RebelSteve33
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#712819 - 06/30/02 08:52 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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this thread has dramatically gone from overpopulation to environmental issues
Sorry, Dalorean, but overpopulation IS an environmental issue!
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#712867 - 06/30/02 09:25 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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"as for environmentalists caring. they only care about one thing and that is keeping people OUT of the natural forests and land of this earth. they care about this earth, but they dont care about people."
This is far too sweeping of a statement, dude. Ecotourism, to list one example, is an environmentalist movement, and it pushes for RESPONSIBLE, SUSTAINABLE access to nature.
"...So we need to all live together in a circle of life."
You're absolutely right. That is what environmentalism is about.
"environmentalists are studiers of the environment and earth in general. so they should understand that this earth can handle anything that is thrown at it."
I hate to break it to you, but that is definitely NOT their conclusion. I'm trying to imagine how you would react if your doctor told you your lifestyle was going to shorten your life.
"there is nothing wrong with whats happening."
dalorean, where do you get this? I would love to be convinced. Seriously, you waver from a "environmentalism is important and all" position to a "environmentalists are screwing things up!" position.
I agree that, in theory, the earth can sustain six billion people, even more. But obviously it can't given how things are, so how you can say "nothing wrong is happening" is hard to understand.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: postalboy]
#712877 - 06/30/02 09:32 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know The Clash UK, so I could be completely wrong, but maybe his comment was sarcastic. I can't imagine too many Brits saying that seriously.
As for dalorean, maybe he'll give it some more thought. It's a tough call, because part of me can't blame people for being in denial about the state of things, but another part of me just wishes to hell we could turn it around. And that won't happen unless we face it.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: hongomon]
#712878 - 06/30/02 09:34 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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whas up man,, you trying to chill at the beach? give me a pm.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#713037 - 06/30/02 10:47 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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all of you live in houses that were made from the trees you worship all of you are human. and if you think people are the prob, then kill yourselves, god damnit. how can you go on and on and on about how people are the problem, yet you are an existing one yourself, many of you w/ children of your own! if you don't think people are important(which is the only impression i get from all of you) then why do you still live the life that HUMANS maintain? hypocritical statements fill the air from you bozos
once again.. very well said
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And locusts and frogs
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: postalboy]
#713040 - 06/30/02 10:48 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow in a thread started by an idiot this is damn near the STUPIDEST thing I have ever seen in print besides the bible.
haha! u gotta love that!
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I hear the song of the cricket
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Is this the life of a Mushroom
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dalorean
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whatever people. i still thing environmentalists got a corn cob stuck up thier asses. they are serving thier purpose, but are pushing things too far. and you people stand up for that. thats what bugs me. i'll never forgive them for causing our local papermill to shut down and innocent victims like my old man losing thier jobs for the spoils of the spotted owl. it not right.
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Re: world overpopulation [Re: dalorean]
#713112 - 06/30/02 11:30 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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whatever people. i still thing environmentalists got a corn cob stuck up thier asses. they are serving thier purpose, but are pushing things too far. and you people stand up for that. thats what bugs me. i'll never forgive them for causing our local papermill to shut down and innocent victims like my old man losing thier jobs for the spoils of the spotted owl. it not right.
Environmentalists are like any other group...their are "good" ones and "bad" ones. Their are radicals and then there are the more laid-back. Please don't judge and entire group of people based on the handful of people in your town.
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Edited by Shroomalicious (06/30/02 11:31 AM)
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all of you live in houses that were made from the trees you worship all of you are human. and if you think people are the prob, then kill yourselves, god damnit. how can you go on and on and on about how people are the problem, yet you are an existing one yourself, many of you w/ children of your own! if you don't think people are important(which is the only impression i get from all of you) then why do you still live the life that HUMANS maintain? hypocritical statements fill the air from you bozos
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"once again.. very well said"
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I disagree entirely. Are you saying that if a person believes in protecting the environment, that person should live naked in a cave? You sound more and more ridiculous with every post, dalorean.
Please direct me to what part of this thread gave you the impression that "we" (still generalizing, I see) think people aren't important.
But this all comes down to the paper mill, doesn't it? Sorry about your old man. But I'm even more sorry that you have let your bitterness skew your judgement so completely.
hongomon
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