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NinjaNick420
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3rd time the charm? NOT!
#7110847 - 06/30/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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SO my third time trying to grow, Again FAILURE..... my first run was 2 almost fully colonized jars, and then from nowhere, contam. so i try a second time and all i got was ten half colonized jars that just halted growth around the third week and then did nothing for a staight week before once again everyones favorite friend comes around, contam. now i sit here with 5 jars on day 8 and just now germinated and i got these dark pink spots staring at me like a fool. I now sit here with empty syringes and still no crop, i have been at this for 2 months now. I dont know what i am doing wrong, I did everything the TEK said and i studied various posts, Someone just tell me it will be okay and eventually i will be successful. how many times have you guys tried before success?
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DiabloSmurf
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7110856 - 06/30/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I got fruits the first time i tried.
Its you're sterile procedures man. Its got to be. Got any pics?
Where does the contamination usually start in the jar?
inoculation point?
Do you flame sterilize the needle?
Are you using a pressure cooker?
What are you using PF tek? Grain?
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7110871 - 06/30/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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It might take you more than 3 tries to get it right. Reflect on your procedure, and try try again. Patience is a virtue and an asset in this hobby.
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Galikinokis
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7110880 - 06/30/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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It'll all be okay! You just have to keep trying! Are you are making your own substrate? If you are, and things just aren't going your way, I suggest getting some pre-sterilized substrate from somewhere like MushyMart. It's kind of hard to mess up if you get someone else to do the dirty work for you! That really sucks though that you've been at it for 2 months, waiting is excruciating! But just keep trying, and if you don't have The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets, go buy it! It really helped me, and I went from contaminated jars to not having enough room in my fruiting chambers! Gook Luck!
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: Galikinokis]
#7110885 - 06/30/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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With this NEW PF-Tek, success is GUARANTEED !
Good grow (... as harder the battle you see, as sweeter the victory... deedel... deedel... yoholdery... dance...)
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7110949 - 06/30/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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My first grow went very well, I got 2.5 dry ounces from it. I was almost obsessed with having the room with the jars extremely clean, I bleach bombed that room weekly with a 1/100 bleach mix.
That's probably over doing it, but ask yourself...how far do you go when it comes to the cleanliness of the process?
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7110975 - 06/30/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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My first grow(pftek w/GT) took forever but had zero contams.
My second grow(quart jars of rye) was supposedly sclerotia, I lost about 60% to contams. The remaining 40% completely colonized but never formed a single nugget of sclerotia, even two months after complete colonization. A total loss probably due to the fact that I was sold a mislabeled syringe.
My third grow(wbs w/b+) had 50% contams. The rest were spawned with 20lbs of hpoo, I won't know the success of that for about 5 more days.
Good luck and hang in there!
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: CosmicStorm]
#7110981 - 06/30/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't even wash my hands and I do not clean the room either. No glovebox, no rubber glows... I have a very good shroom output though... don't overdue it with the bleaching and other silly kid stuff... the keyword is fast work and efficient transaction...
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Yenny
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7111039 - 06/30/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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It WILL be alright. I know the exact feeling only instead of it being two months, it was two years! I've had non-stop contamination and a horrible turn out until my growing partner and I got fed up and bought a new Pressure Cooker.
It works beautifully, and now we're eagerly watching our first real flush growing in our fruiting chamber. It isn't all about sterile Technique, more like controlling variables until you pinpoint EXACTLY what's going wrong. It took us a year to finally figure out it was the pressure cooker.
Be patient, and don't get discouraged. You'll have a fruit soon, just start changing little variables in your teks, nothing is perfect and is all based on where you live and what works for you. Good luck!
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7111047 - 06/30/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did got everything right my first time, and i have never had any problems with contam. I am very maticulus though.
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: Kottonspade]
#7111120 - 06/30/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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You need an All American PC #910 - you can get it here for $154.95. http://sporeworks.com/store/catalog/All-American-Pressure-Cookers-Canners-p-1-c-262.html
And you should use several sterile syringes - for each jar a separate syringe, so you don't need to fumble around with fire and red hot needle-burning, rollin' cakes in Vermiculite etc..
For an example: Use 6 cooked syringes for 6 cooked jars... syringes are very cheap and you can sterilize those 6 disposable syringes in your new AA-PC many, many times. Give it a try and you will be pleased how clever you work... now. Actually growing shrooms is as easy as making a cup of tea. Times they are a changing.... and Tek's too.
Don't they look happy ? That is what you will get with my NEW PF-Tek
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The shroomy 1
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7111164 - 06/30/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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The first time I did this, I bough a $100.00 kit from the local head shop. Lost 50% to contams. I read, and read, through the threads on how to cultivate. It's been close to 8 months now and I've doubled the amount of syringes by making my own spore prints. I went from a 6" by 4" foil to a huge tub! My substrate is now poo instead of BRF and verm. Instead of starting out with 12 1/2 pint jars, now I start with 24 1 pint jars. Contamination went from 50% to about 10%. (Damn, I'm still failing somewhere in the process) The moral to this story is that if you put in the time, do your homework, and BE PATIENT, things WILL go right for you. REALLY, REALLY, pay attention to sterile technique. Everything you need to know, (And I do mean EVERYTHING), are within these forums. DO YOUR HOMEWORK! and use the SEARCH POST feature on here. Just type in your question. Someone has already asked it! It hasn't failed me yet.
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HippieChick
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7111166 - 06/30/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't agree with a lot of your advice .
Glad I already know what I'm doing and don't have to follow or listen to any of it .
But , like always , that's just my opinion .
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7111229 - 06/30/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I failed more than half a dozen times before I got my first fruits. There are a lot of things that can cause failure. In my case I think the main problem was that I had to "un-learn" everything I knew about growing green plants. I took too many things for granted, so I didn't pay attention enough to some of the things that are absolutely critical for mushroom growing: total sterility, exact moisture, and perfect patience.
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implee
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: HippieChick]
#7111251 - 06/30/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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HippieChick doesn't RadelBaluvar give horrible advice and aren't his videos poorly made?
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DiabloSmurf
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: implee]
#7111322 - 06/30/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah i sorta get annoyed by it. Was wondering when somone was going to say somthing about it.
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dshak66
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7111456 - 06/30/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Actually growing shrooms is as easy as making a cup of tea. Times they are a changing.... and Tek's too."
I disagree with that statement. Does that mean as long as you purchase the syringes with spore solution made up by an experienced cultivator? Can you see my point? The pictures look great though.
Edited by dshak66 (06/30/07 02:45 PM)
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xaxphaanes
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: dshak66]
#7111463 - 06/30/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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all radel does is advertise his crappy video's and offer retarded advice.
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Blutjager
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: Rhizoid]
#7111617 - 06/30/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rhizoid said: I failed more than half a dozen times before I got my first fruits.
So did I,five for you for hanging in there
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: Blutjager]
#7111656 - 06/30/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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@ dshak66
As you can see in the video PF-Tek Part 2 we use empty sterilized syringes... SIX... and we suck the spore liquid into the syringe. No one buys ready to use syringes in those videos. I beg your pardon Sir, I am the experienced cultivator.
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DiabloSmurf
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7111742 - 06/30/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alrighty
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HippieChick
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: implee]
#7111881 - 06/30/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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implee said: HippieChick doesn't RadelBaluvar give horrible advice and aren't his videos poorly made?
I checked out a few . When I saw his formula for BRF cakes wasn't the maximum fruiting formula of a 2:1:1 ratio , I didn't need to look further .
But , anybody who "guarantee's success" simply by following his TEK's , is , in my opinion , a fool .
If he were my butcher , I'd rather stick my head up the bulls ass and look at the T-Bone , then take his word about it;)
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NinjaNick420
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: DiabloSmurf]
#7112114 - 06/30/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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DiabloSmurf said: I got fruits the first time i tried.
Its you're sterile procedures man. Its got to be. Got any pics?
Where does the contamination usually start in the jar?
inoculation point?
Do you flame sterilize the needle?
Are you using a pressure cooker?
What are you using PF tek? Grain?
PF cakes I take all procedures to make sure i am sterilizing all surfaces, which include: kitchen counter top, walls around the area, inside my still air glove box, the outside of the glove box, i lit the needle until it turned red before each jar, i put breatheble tape on each hole and a piece of foil, and i PC my jars for 45min at 15lbs.
and the wierd thing is that the contam is not in the path of inoculation or where the needle was
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implee
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7112185 - 06/30/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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is it micro spore tape or breathable tape?
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twistedninja
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7112770 - 06/30/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I changed from tape to polyfill stuffed holes and damn that was an improvment. Also I did pftek 1 time after going through the motions and knowing what to do and look for I switched to birdseed. Cheap and fast!! If you have a PC then I would switch to grains but that is just me. Also if mix is too wet makes for slow colonization and room for contams. Don't give up maybe try different methods.
ps. I would trust hippiechick I have never seen her give bad advise
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Chalupacabra
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: twistedninja]
#7113280 - 06/30/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey NinjaNick. I'm a newb, but thought of these... Are you using a dry verm layer? Spores from a reliable source? I also slightly crack my jars before steaming them, but that's just me.
Keep at it dude!
IMO, The earlier quote by Radel stating "I am the experienced cultivator" is pretty fucking arrogant and an insult to the true veterans that are found here at the Shroomery. If you are "The Experienced Cultivator", let's see some more advanced mycological techniques than PFTek...
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: Chalupacabra]
#7114094 - 07/01/07 04:49 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Open your eyes to the reality of growing shrooms the efficient way... use my NEW PF-Tek with GUARANTEED success given by the world most famous expert shroom-cultivator from Switzerland. Good stuff comes from this country - LSD for an example... remember the name of the LSD inventor? Yes, he is also a Swiss, and he is still living... over 101 years old now...
@ NinjaNick420 You write: "I take all procedures to make sure i am sterilizing all surfaces, which include: kitchen counter top, walls around the area, inside my still air glove box, the outside of the glove box, i lit the needle until it turned red before each jar, i put breathable tape on each hole and a piece of foil, and i PC my jars for 45min at 15lbs." I write: Sterilization time is 90Min at 15psi and there is NO need to clean all your stuff like a nurse. You don't need a glove-box. Do you really suggest to yourself that the inside of your glove-box holds cleaner air then you have on the outside of your glove-box? This got to be a joke. And: It is NOT possible to sterilize a room or a surface... one can only disinfect the things you mention. If you put breathable tape on the lid, the micro-dirt likes to stick on the glue-particles when you are forced to remove the tape and your fingers touch the lids of the jars, and this is not what one wants, even if you are wearing rubber gloves. One should work very quick during inoculation because as longer as you expose the freshly sterilized jars to the air, as longer have unwanted visitors time to move in. Quote you: "... and the wierd thing is that the contam is not in the path of inoculation or where the needle was" Me again: It is because you did only 45Min sterilization time. So why clean all the rooms, etc. when the error happens in the PC? Good grow to all of you
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The shroomy 1
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7114184 - 07/01/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I really can't believe you would give such advice! There are so many variables in cultivating mushrooms. Sterile technique is EVERYTHING! I think it's short-sighted mentality by saying, "It is because you did only 45Min sterilization time. So why clean all the rooms, etc. when the error happens in the PC?" I'll give you an example. I've had a PC and have not changed my method of 90 minutes at 15PSI. I have,however, changed the environment in which I inoculate my jars. By that I mean cleaning counter tops, surrounding work area, using a glove box, sterilizing the glove box, etc. etc. the result is as follows:
Before: After: So, I really think your advice is POISON.
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RadelBaluvar
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@ The shroomy 1
Quote you: "....using a glove box, sterilizing the glove box, etc. etc. the result is as follows:......"
I beg your pardon, Sir, but it is NOT possible to STERILIZE a glove box. One can only try to DISINFECT something - like a cheap glow-box for an example. OK? I call such silly actions: Fooling yourself.
Sorry, Sir, but this is a FACT. A properly working glove-box costs a lot of money. We find those usually in professional surroundings only.
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7114248 - 07/01/07 07:26 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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While true a glove box can never be sterile it is the simple design that makes them effective and they do not have to cost a bundle they just need to be properly built and utilized. I agree cutting back on sterilization times puts everything in jeopardy. Also sterile culture technique is everything in mycology this includes properly sterilizing. There are some good points made here but remember it is everything you do as a whole that makes the difference between success a failure. GL guys
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NinjaNick420
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: hyphae]
#7114525 - 07/01/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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In the PF tek for simple minds it states 45 min at 15lbs, i do use the dry verm layer, what is a dark pink contam?
Oh and Radel your movies are annoying and i dont want to be sold stuff, thanks for the advice anyways, next time i will use 90 min instead of 45. thank you all for the advice, what sux though is i am flat broke and dont have any spores, i am not expecting hand outs but a donation would be nice
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hyphae
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: NinjaNick420]
#7114967 - 07/01/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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NinjaNick420 said: In the PF tek for simple minds it states 45 min at 15lbs, i do use the dry verm layer, what is a dark pink contam?
Oh and Radel your movies are annoying and i dont want to be sold stuff, thanks for the advice anyways, next time i will use 90 min instead of 45. thank you all for the advice, what sux though is i am flat broke and dont have any spores, i am not expecting hand outs but a donation would be nice
60min@15psi should suffice. As far as the dark pink mold it could be several molds exhibiting pink to cherry red in color without a high resolution pic it will be almost impossible to say for sure. I would post a good quality pic in the contam forum as well as a better description if possible.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: hyphae]
#7115080 - 07/01/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you really suggest to yourself that the inside of your glove-box holds cleaner air then you have on the outside of your glove-box? This got to be a joke
Your advice gets worse and worse. It's not a joke. You sterilize every surface inside, douse it with Oust, and go. Moreover the air is still, greatly decreasing the chances for contamination. Of course you can't "sterilize" every surface; low air flow and low contaminant load help your mushrooms' chances though.
Jesus. Telling people not to build a $10 glovebox because it doesn't do anything is like telling people to fuck without condoms because it's not 100% effective against STDs
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: hyphae]
#7115090 - 07/01/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gif by me
I think one should not talk or write about c..t.mi..tion. One should have the strict discipline not to use this disastrous word at all; because if one uses the word "c..t.mi..tion" all the time, the c..t.mi..tion comes right away.
Actually YOU are the one who is calling his/her name. Maybe it is a bit too fine-mattered, but it is true. Only people who "think" in a rough-mattered style believe that c..t.mi..tion comes out of the blue sky right into your substrate. As we all know: At the beginning was the WORD. That means, that every word causes a reaction. NEVER EVER show c..t.mi..tion pictures either - it is almost a sin to do so.
Here in Shroomery they even have a separate c..t.mi..tion forum. If I where the boss around here, I would close such a useless forum right away.
Don't make 'em big.... OK? ... and 60Min is not enough... smile me.
Good shroom
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7115097 - 07/01/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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This guy is either batshit insane, or devotes way too much time to irony.
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hyphae
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CaptainLinger said:
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Do you really suggest to yourself that the inside of your glove-box holds cleaner air then you have on the outside of your glove-box? This got to be a joke
Your advice gets worse and worse. It's not a joke. You sterilize every surface inside, douse it with Oust, and go. Moreover the air is still, greatly decreasing the chances for contamination. Of course you can't "sterilize" every surface; low air flow and low contaminant load help your mushrooms' chances though.
Jesus. Telling people not to build a $10 glovebox because it doesn't do anything is like telling people to fuck without condoms because it's not 100% effective against STDs
Still air is the whole concept behind gloveboxes thanks for pointing that out for those who aren't aware.
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7117023 - 07/01/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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RadelBaluvar said:
Gif by me
I think one should not talk or write about c..t.mi..tion. One should have the strict discipline not to use this disastrous word at all; because if one uses the word "c..t.mi..tion" all the time, the c..t.mi..tion comes right away.
Actually YOU are the one who is calling his/her name. Maybe it is a bit too fine-mattered, but it is true. Only people who "think" in a rough-mattered style believe that c..t.mi..tion comes out of the blue sky right into your substrate. As we all know: At the beginning was the WORD. That means, that every word causes a reaction. NEVER EVER show c..t.mi..tion pictures either - it is almost a sin to do so.
Here in Shroomery they even have a separate c..t.mi..tion forum. If I where the boss around here, I would close such a useless forum right away.
I think someone needs to stop taking psychedelics....seriously.
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The shroomy 1
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7117335 - 07/02/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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RadelBaluvar said: @ The shroomy 1
Quote you: "....using a glove box, sterilizing the glove box, etc. etc. the result is as follows:......"
I beg your pardon, Sir, but it is NOT possible to STERILIZE a glove box. One can only try to DISINFECT something - like a cheap glow-box for an example. OK? I call such silly actions: Fooling yourself.
Sorry, Sir, but this is a FACT. A properly working glove-box costs a lot of money. We find those usually in professional surroundings only.
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hahah why doesn't this guy get banned ??? all he does is offer ridiculous advise and advertise his retarded video's.
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7117589 - 07/02/07 01:38 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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You have got to be joking...
If it were only that easy it would be great.
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: Kamin]
#7117893 - 07/02/07 03:45 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I close all the windows in my kitchen and do all my work there. Take the cooled jars wipe the lid wich has silicone injection wipe injection port leave semi wet its now sterile.
Flame whipe needle.
Hold needle in alchol and have it so it comes out of the alchol towlet or cotton or whatever.
whipe the injection site again with it and then shove through all in one swift action.
No contams this way yet, I do wash my hands prior but thats all.
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: budmanman]
#7118255 - 07/02/07 08:32 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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@ budmann
I beg your pardon Sir, where do you see the advantage of burning the needle redhot? Isnt it more efficient and safer too, to sterilize the syringes together with the jars? Why make things complicated. One can use those cheap syringes over and over again....
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7118849 - 07/02/07 11:33 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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RadelBaluvar said: @ budmann
I beg your pardon Sir, where do you see the advantage of burning the needle redhot? Isnt it more efficient and safer too, to sterilize the syringes together with the jars? Why make things complicated. One can use those cheap syringes over and over again....
Obviously sterilizing a spore syringe would render it useless.
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Re: 3rd time the charm? YES! [Re: hyphae]
#7119105 - 07/02/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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@ hyphae
You are right Sir.
Just sterilize 4 EMPTY syringes - if you are going to sterilize 4 jars - at he same time.
Put the old syringes together with the substrate-jars into the PC. Wrap the syringes in Alufoil. It is as simple as that. You don't need to burn the needle red-hot.... because your 4 syringes are sterile already. Do you understand now, what I mean?
Good grow
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Re: 3rd time the charm? YES! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7120016 - 07/02/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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RadelBaluvar said: Do you understand now, what I mean?
Good grow
I don't think many here understand , or want to understand , what you mean .
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Re: 3rd time the charm? YES! [Re: HippieChick]
#7120286 - 07/02/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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HippieChick said:
I don't think many here understand , or want to understand , what you mean .
That would be accurate.
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hyphae
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Re: 3rd time the charm? YES! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7120788 - 07/02/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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RadelBaluvar said:
@ hyphae
You are right Sir.
Just sterilize 4 EMPTY syringes - if you are going to sterilize 4 jars - at he same time.
Put the old syringes together with the substrate-jars into the PC. Wrap the syringes in Alufoil. It is as simple as that. You don't need to burn the needle red-hot.... because your 4 syringes are sterile already. Do you understand now, what I mean?
Good grow
Understand you will be filling those syringes with spore solution it is during this time that contams may have a chance to enter the equation. An unflawed sterile culture technique will result in success 100% of the time consistently. I like those odds!
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: hyphae]
#7121787 - 07/02/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I failed a few times before a successful grow. My successful first grow yielded 13oz dry and then I trashed it because they were starting to be hollow feeling and you could tell the substrate was pooped out.
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: Jorsher]
#7122966 - 07/03/07 03:34 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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@ Jorsher Now this is interesting, because I had the same vision of that feeling and without the help of certain chemicals, I can not see into your inner eye.... maybe some of you are not able to visit the center either... are bound to the every-day-dimension of life... some of us do not understand what's going on... So we better stay on topic, otherwise the moderator comes in - the rabbit. Or the mighty Killer... the chef de cuisine.. LOL... no, let us become sirious again: I knew right away, that you are very smart persons/spirits !!! Maybe besides me, the smartest humans here at Shroomery... smile me.... let's do the reincarnation shuffle... and perhaps we did even exchange some knowlege... King Elvis said: "I was born about ten thousand years ago, there ain't nothing in this world that I don't know; I saved King David's life and he offered me a wife - I said: now you're talking business have a chair..." Do you care for another cup of blue juice... honey and acid as usual? I'm so glad, that I had the great pleasure to meet some of you and in addition to that, people here are also very nice people. I sure did learn a lot of new things from you.... THX. One final question remains though: Is it a improperly cooked potato, or consciousness-expanding ? Good shroom, bon Voyage and the best of luck to all of you... my clever new friends? PS. Is this you? HippieChick? You need another heart attack soon. Am I right? This thread has been closed. Click!~ Reason: no need for more comments on the subject!~ Time to visit ShroomCity
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: RadelBaluvar]
#7122993 - 07/03/07 03:54 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol dont lie hahahaha in the bible hahahahah right
in that same bible it says that if you sleep with my wife i can get your daughter as compensation.lol!
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Re: 3rd time the charm? NOT! [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7123124 - 07/03/07 06:17 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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The old pope was so much cooler
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