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Silent_Echo
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My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD..
#7101368 - 06/27/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just tried my first mega-dose Saturday. I had alot of this liquid i got awhile back, and i wanted to at least hit double digits. The most i had done before was 6.
6 was strong don't get me wrong, but i didn't get any serious ego loss, i was tripping pretty hard, but the only way i could "loose" myself was to sit quietly with my eyes shut. I wanted to achieve the complete ego loss i experienced awhile ago on 6 grams of mushrooms.
That said on Saturday i looked at my vial and i have been keeping count, i had about 52 left to my knowledge, give or take a drop. And i dropped 3 hits on my tongue. Then three more, three more, then the final drop.
I was feeling SERIOUSLY shifty at about 30 minutes...i was getting weirded out because normally you don't feel anything "strong" until 45 to an hour..well this was starting to get the mental feelings RIGHT away. At about 45 minutes i was getting tracers, and everything became "fuzzy" looking, like i wasn't quite focusing right..which was weird as normally i get a "sharper" almost HDR lighting effect (as it was once stated on this board) but now everything had doubles, and began doing this whole domino effect in my visual field..mind you this was only 45-50 minutes into it..i knew i was in for a fun ride!
After about an hour and 10 minutes i "believed" i couldn't reach a higher peak, and it was done climbing..and i rode that beast out for about 6 hours. It was highly introspective, and i couldn't even begin to describe what was going on in my head...all i remember was i saw MATHEMATICS behind my CLOSED eyes...only to open them and they would form on everything...
Anyone who has done LSD before knows that there is this peculiar pattern that "bitmapps" over everything in your visual field. Well this pattern changed, not just like it normally does, it always holds true to that same pattern for me, but on those 10 hits it morphed into what i was thinking..i thought of a math problem, i cant remember what it was, but it was two digit, times two digit..like 33 times 65 and i did it in my head, all solving it behind my eyelids using them like a chalkboard i was able to visualize the math problem..i then had someone check it on the calculator, and BOOM i was right...i then tried it again later that night, i couldn't do it when i was sober..i have to work it out on paper..
But the main reason i was wanting to tell everyone all of this is that even through this 10 hit dose, i didn't experience ego loss, i was in COMPLETE control, i never once got scared, except for the come up but it was anxiety and not fear, and i think i could've held myself together in public. I would estimate by my experience (i have alot of experience with LSD) that this liquid would be in the vicinity of 100-150ugs a hit. This is a rough estimate and should not be taken litterly (all posts that say stuff like that need a disclaimer ) but i think it is pretty close..so if that is the case i ate between 1000-1500ug of this stuff and still didn't get a level * (fill in the blank) I'm not too up on the terms, but i was looking for an earth shattering experience like the 6 grams of mush that kicked my ass, took some names, raped me, and threw me back on the street reborn with a COMPLETELY different outlook on life.
Why doesn't the Acid seem to "go farther" it seems the more i take the more the visuals increase, and the deeper the music will take you..but still no increase in ego-loss, i get the ego-loss, where sometimes (i don't know how to explain this) but sometimes i feel like I'm just a face? does that make sense, then i will look down, and see my body and be like "whoa, that was weird i forgot ** for a second. Or you find yourself not caring what others think about your facial expressions..that type of stuff, but NOTHING like what mushrooms can do for you. I think it is because Acid you are in control, so maybe i have to learn to let go, whereas the mushrooms are just coming to bend me over and take what they want, with no regards as to how i feel at the moment.
So i guess what i am asking is, how can i get the ego-loss i desire, but without the mind-fuck of the mushrooms? Can it be done on LSD? i still have about 40-42 give or take. I was telling my friend what i just told you guys, and I'm almost considering taking near half of what i got left, or maybe all..i know there are people out there that have done thumbprint's, and i have no worries, as i know it cannot kill you. What do you guys think? will i get what i crave from the 42 hits, or even just 21..or should i just stick to mushrooms for the ego-loss?
Thanks for any replies you guys, sorry about the long post..
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spock
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7101423 - 06/27/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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my experience has been that 10 hits and 50 hits are'nt that different. don't get me wrong, it's more itense,lasts longer.but there is a point where i'm just getting dumber and not realy "farther"
with mushrooms the diference between a couple grams and 4 could be the difference between chillin and hiding under my bed.
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: spock] 1
#7101481 - 06/27/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I sometimes wonder the value in what certain people are looking for.
If you want to forget how to tie your shoes and you think that is the best part of the psychedelic experience and you want that, then keep pursuing delirium via these amazing psychedelics.
I have never had a hard time remembering my name.
Ego-loss is very real and has varying degrees.... I understand what it means, and I still think the way people treat ego loss is a total joke on this site, for the most part.
Just an opinion.
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wow
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: spock]
#7101482 - 06/27/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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damn... you got a vial of liquid acid... lucky!! how much would a quantity like that cost me?
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7101527 - 06/27/07 11:43 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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so you took a millagram or more? verry niice (borat voice)
peace out Dm
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: yageman]
#7101583 - 06/28/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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are you talking about acid? acid has shown me how my brain and mind work but does'nt speak to my spirit. ego loss is what it is. i don't fuck with lsd anymore (unless mabey my arm is twisted)
on the other hand mushrooms are all about the spirit.
when you say you wonder the value in what certain people are looking for it kind of sounds snobbish.
Edited by spock (06/28/07 12:01 AM)
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wow
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: spock] 1
#7101867 - 06/28/07 01:17 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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plz dont flame....
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: wow]
#7101928 - 06/28/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Obviously the solution is to take another 6 gram dose of mushrooms.
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Cepheus
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: Hashbar]
#7103302 - 06/28/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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In my experience mushrooms take me further.. acid Is more calm and sophisticated.. whereas on mushrooms I feel like a primitive animal.. especially in a setting like a forest
Mushrooms are much less controllable.. a sacred teacher indeed
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: yageman]
#7103320 - 06/28/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
yageman said:
Ego-loss is very real and has varying degrees.... I understand what it means, and I still think the way people treat ego loss is a total joke on this site, for the most part.
An elaboration on that would be interesting, methinks. Especially "on this site" part.
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7103401 - 06/28/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Personally, I achieve full ego-loss just about everytime I trip. I never take more than a hit or 2 either. I find that ego-loss can be dose dependent (ie, take a fuckload, you will lose your ego), but IME, dose is irrelevant towards attaining satori. If I sit zazen when I trip, I can get full ego-loss on a single hit. Its more about what I do with my mind and attention than how much I have taken. If I am intent on kensho, I will experience it regardless of dose.
For me, the value in psychedelics lies in learning how to attain this state without using them. Each time I trip, I try and take a little less than last time (not always the case, higher doses can be a lot of fun), thereby relying more and more on my own abilities of concentration and meditation to reach satori. Now when I sit without psychedelic aid, I am more able to apply what I learn, and I get flashes of kensho regularly (no daikensho yet, which is experiencing directly what awareness is all the time, not just amidst a moment of ego-loss).
Peace
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: Cepheus]
#7103429 - 06/28/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cepheus said: In my experience mushrooms take me further.. acid Is more calm and sophisticated.. whereas on mushrooms I feel like a primitive animal.. especially in a setting like a forest
Mushrooms are much less controllable.. a sacred teacher indeed
I find what you said to be very true... Acid for me is more comfortable controled ride as is mushrooms are more primal and are a valued tearcher for all of us...
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yageman
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: spock]
#7103526 - 06/28/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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spock said: are you talking about acid? acid has shown me how my brain and mind work but does'nt speak to my spirit. ego loss is what it is. i don't fuck with lsd anymore (unless mabey my arm is twisted)
on the other hand mushrooms are all about the spirit.
when you say you wonder the value in what certain people are looking for it kind of sounds snobbish.
It may sound snobbish, but I really do wonder. Ego-loss means different things to different people. When you strive for something, possibly without understanding it, it could fuck up your path a little bit. Maybe there are certain perceptions of ego-loss that when strived for, are sort of besides the most amazing functions of these drugs.
I didnt label this guy one way or another.
For me, there are varying degrees of ego loss and its clear as day. Ego-loss to me is a process, and is in no way an "all or nothing" sort of thing. I have taken some massive doses, but I never have completely lost everything I know to be true, and I always can remember my name. I can be completely overwhelmed by selfless thought but still have access to my ego(though in such trips I simply forget or choose not to connect with myself as I know it). So I have never really lost control, and I dont desire to. When in the land of archetypes within a sea of light, you still can percieve that place to some degree, and thats why we can remember some of it. The idea that ego-loss is all or nothing, might be a sort of dangerous idea, because you are trying to reach your own expectations. If your expectations are impossible and have little to do with the real thing, you could dose yourself into oblivion and never find what you are looking for. So I think ego loss comes to you, and sure, it doesnt hurt to up the dose. If I didnt want some element of control I would have to take a dose that might even make me forget my name if I desired. <--- with that said, a massive dose can sort of push you into such an experience. For alot of people who take huge doses, its still a process, and to some degree how-deep into egolessness you travel depends on your desire to stay somewhat fused with your ego. I have had times where I knew where I was heading and tried to stop it. My desire to stop the flow made me have a pretty gnarly and introspective trip. The things I found out about my life/ my universe, while hanging on allowed me to feel reborn and in that moment I accepted the death of my ego. The whole time there was a pull into that ego-less space, but I had some shit to take care of before I "died". The most amazing thing about it is how the egoless space is somehow enmeshed with our ego, so when on your way to the endth degree whatever resides in that place is showing you how to get there(how to rid yourself of your ego) by giving you certain cognitive tools. Blueprints if you will.
Also, if you are afraid of dieing(metaphorically), there is something that teaches you how to go out in peace.
For me, to enter a sort of ego-less state became more of a smooth ride. My mind began to welcome the drug induced pull into this place we know so little about.
SO for me, its a process. For some it may be easier to let go. Regardless though, its not just like jumping into a pool. You have to drive or walk there. I mean, this is just a metaphore, but its why ego-loss doesnt happen the second a drug starts effecting your mind. Its a process, no matter how you experience it, or deal with it.
Im sure there is a dose that is so massive that I could bypass myself almost completely due to a super fast come up, and the push would be so great that I would have no choice about entering at will. That kind of dose throws the process in a whole new direction that I am not used to, and I would likely pass out because I would not have a smooth enterance. Instead, it would be total mental overload, and would be very confusing to me for the short time while I was still connected to my ego.
Edited by yageman (06/28/07 05:50 PM)
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GrizzyCappy
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: yageman]
#7103937 - 06/28/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice posts, Yageman. That's what I like. It's not the destination, but the journey.
I wish I could offer advice on the difference between taking 10 or 50, but I've never taken 50. Most I've done is about 8 total.
From what people say about thumbprints, though...holy smokes.
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spock
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: yageman]
#7104060 - 06/28/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dig what you're saying. good stuff.
"Maybe there are certain perceptions of ego-loss that when strived for, are sort of besides the most amazing functions of these drugs." well said. i'd go farther and say that ego-loss is over rated. there is a lot more to learn from theses drugs. not to say that it is not an important experience.
lsd, shrooms, vines, hell even weed can be used as tools to learn different lessons. sometimes they are used simply for entertainment.
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: spock]
#7104073 - 06/28/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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how can you lose something you cannot find in the first place?
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TEAL_MUST_DIE
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: Cepheus]
#7104138 - 06/28/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cepheus said: ...whereas on mushrooms I feel like a primitive animal.. especially in a setting like a forest
Mushrooms are much less controllable.. a sacred teacher indeed
Thats exactly how i feel when trippin on mushrooms, so primitive, such an unexplanable feeling.
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: TEAL_MUST_DIE]
#7104349 - 06/28/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not the destination, but the journey.
:clap: good analogy
Edited by Helixx (06/28/07 05:59 PM)
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: Helixx]
#7104988 - 06/28/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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in reference to everyone asking if i wanted to COMPLETELY lose control, no i was just saying that even on a dose like 10 hits left me with most of my ego, as i would have thought it would be more dissolved with a dose like that.
Ego loss to me is disconnecting to what is "known" to be right, or "normal" and all that is left is your thoughts and everything around you...you can still walk and function, (i wouldn't go in public) and your brain seems to keep forming ideas, that branch to other ideas, and so on. When you are grounded it takes away from the "unbiased" thinking we all know to be what is "normal" i don't know if that is what everyone else thinks ego loss is, maybe I'm alittle off..but i DID experience my ego "softening" that is what i like to call it. There are varying degrees of ego-loss.
I just cant seem to let go i guess, it may seem that mushrooms tend to "make" you. Maybe i will just have to try harder to let go, maybe take a dose like my last but be all alone the whole time. Don't get me wrong, i was alone alot of the last trip, but i kept thinking my friends were sad that i wasn't hanging out with them..maybe that is what grounded me to my ego.
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Re: My First Mega-Dose on Liquid LSD.. [Re: Silent_Echo]
#7105104 - 06/28/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice!!!
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