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Ghost in the machine
    #7093343 - 06/26/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Imagine a scenario in the not too distant future. Scientist create the first fully conscious cybernetic organism, and it also passes the Alan Turing test - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test.

Do you think this breakthrough would negate the existence of human soul?


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Re: Ghost in the machine [Re: shakercee]
    #7093416 - 06/26/07 01:35 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yes


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Re: Ghost in the machine [Re: shakercee]
    #7093798 - 06/26/07 06:19 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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shakercee said:
Imagine a scenario in the not too distant future. Scientist create the first fully conscious cybernetic organism, and it also passes the Alan Turing test - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test.

Do you think this breakthrough would negate the existence of human soul?




Why would it?

I don't think so. It's just another birth process. I don't believe scientists can truly "create conscious." Consciousness is inherent. It is just waiting for someone to build an empty vessel so it can rain down and fill it.

If anyhting, scientists will trigger a fairly mysterious process... much like how we don't "create" new people consciously when we have kids. That shit just unfolds, and it's a miracle. Most parents would agree.

It could be explained scientifically, but only so far. The mystery of consciousness pervades all aspects of understanding if you dig deep enough. The creation of a human form, as explained through scientific reasoning, is akin to building the vessel. The consciousness that sprouts forth and grows from this form is beyond scientific logic.

I think the real question here is one of whether or not a line can be drawn between "natural" and "man-made." Personally, I don't believe in the distinction, because man is a part of nature. The only thing that is truly "man-made" is the concept of being separate from the whole.


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Re: Ghost in the machine [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7093831 - 06/26/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

U have valid point there.

But why do we tend to write off mysterious phenomena as beyond science. All scientific phenomenon was considered mysterious, beyond reason and logic, in the past. So, the mystique of consciousness is just another barrier; it will be crossed in the not too distant future.


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Re: Ghost in the machine [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7093835 - 06/26/07 06:49 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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The only thing that is truly "man-made" is the concept of being separate from the whole.




Well said.


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Re: Ghost in the machine [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7094019 - 06/26/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You can't stop this man from achieving his goal, unrealistic to many people.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/

I read his book The Age of spiritual machines about a decade back and it still resonates in my mind.


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Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking.

Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc.
Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god."
- Indian Armed Forces

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Re: Ghost in the machine [Re: shakercee]
    #7095362 - 06/26/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

We would all have to call upon arnold to save us.

Hey whatver happened to termiator 4?


Edited by SurCal (06/26/07 03:36 PM)


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Re: Ghost in the machine [Re: SurCal]
    #7096219 - 06/26/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

In a way I think we cannot "program" consciosness, but we can "tune in" on the "field" or "frequency" or the "formless awareness" from which our consciousness is "drawn" from...But the question is could you theortically "summon" hellish and angelic "personalities"??

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Re: Ghost in the machine [Re: SurCal]
    #7096394 - 06/26/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I prefer to recognise that accepting broader levels of consciousness expands the human Soul . Its the imprisonment of the soul to knowledge based denial systems that is the real issue .

Try it as a "thought experiment" .. if you havent already accept the attribute of consciouness to an object in your mind that you previously have categorised as without consciousness.. a good example is something inanimate , perhaps rock forms . Atribute consciousness to it , does this add to the dimensions of your soul or subtract from it? .. if you like attribute consciousness to our "moon" if you havent already..

Or for a twist how about testing the opposite.. remove consciouness from a already accepted state say for instance "short people" .. does this expand the dimensions you allow your soul to exist in or lessen it..


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Re: Ghost in the machine [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7096663 - 06/26/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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shakercee said:
Imagine a scenario in the not too distant future.  Scientist create the first fully conscious cybernetic organism, and it also passes the Alan Turing test - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test.

Do you think this breakthrough would negate the existence of human soul?




Why would it?

I don't think so. It's just another birth process. I don't believe scientists can truly "create conscious." Consciousness is inherent. It is just waiting for someone to build an empty vessel so it can rain down and fill it.

If anyhting, scientists will trigger a fairly mysterious process... much like how we don't "create" new people consciously when we have kids. That shit just unfolds, and it's a miracle. Most parents would agree.

It could be explained scientifically, but only so far. The mystery of consciousness pervades all aspects of understanding if you dig deep enough. The creation of a human form, as explained through scientific reasoning, is akin to building the vessel. The consciousness that sprouts forth and grows from this form is beyond scientific logic.

I think the real question here is one of whether or not a line can be drawn between "natural" and "man-made." Personally, I don't believe in the distinction, because man is a part of nature. The only thing that is truly "man-made" is the concept of being separate from the whole.



Well said.  :thumbup:


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