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Reality of entities
    #7090385 - 06/25/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

There have been a few threads recently about the validity of some of our perceptions of actual intelligent beings on psychedelics. Some say we're imagining things.

Sometimes you may just see a shadow on the ceiling, and in your bemushroomed state mistake it for a spiritual presence.

Sometimes, however, your consciousness is filled with visions and information from a clearly intelligent source.

There is a difference between your mind simply playing tricks on you and the universe coming apart at the hands of a superintelligent being you had up to that point convinced yourself was a figment of your imagination.

I know they are real because I have seen them for myself, and they have shaped my context. I have read numerous accounts of others encountering them, to the same effect that I have. And of course, I have seen their visual likenesses on hundreds of drawings and paintings spanning the history of art, and culminating precisely with the organic detail of alex grey's portfolio.

Maybe they are not for everyone to encounter, and maybe some encounter them in different ways that they wouldn't describe as intelligent beings.

If psychedelics have taught me anything, it is that anything is possible, and that I have no right to try to devalidate the personal experiences of others.


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7090391 - 06/25/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If psychedelics have taught me anything it is that every facet of the universe is the expression of the mind behind life, and so to perceive anything as being alive is fine and dandy.


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7090395 - 06/25/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe they are just shroomers from other dimenssion who are just as confused as we. :mushroom2:


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7090428 - 06/25/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Life itself is all in the mind anyway!


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7090454 - 06/25/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

What ever you feel, see, perceive basically. Is real at the point you perceive it at.

It only becomes unreal to the person who is not in the same state as you are. It works both ways.

The world you would call "real" or sober. Can be totally fake to you as you trip.

So what i am getting at is entities you encounter are real. Because you have perceived them. Just in a different realm of reality, the one that is accessible when you consume psychedelic substances.

I hope that makes sense to you. Peace :laugh:


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7090555 - 06/25/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Have you ever had a dream where you meet someone you've never met before and they tell you some shit you've never heard before? Do you think that is some alien intelligence sending you messages in your dreams?

I mean, it's ok if you do.

Personally, I think the brain is more clever than we'll ever understand completely...it seems totally plausible to me that in the altered state known as tripping one part of my brain might be imagining something I've never thought of before and "telling" it to the part of my brain that "contains" my conscious mind. Maybe I just can't tell that it's coming from inside. Maybe some part of my imagination is riffing like crazy on all the unusual unfiltered sensory input and my conscious mind can't tell whether it's coming from inside or outside...like it can't tell whether the sparkly lights and stuff are "really there" or not.


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: MotorCityMadman]
    #7090751 - 06/25/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

The world is in your head, but your head is in the world. Ponder that and it should become apparent that if you percieve something as real then it's as real as it's going to get.


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: Orbus]
    #7091419 - 06/25/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

"It's a widely believed fact (I loathe calling it a fact) in the world of psychology that there are things that people would simply go insane if they saw or knew. There are also things that simply don't register in our minds, like infinity, sit down and think about it and it just can't happen. So it might just be possible that there is a whole other species roaming the earth (maybe in large numbers)...But we can't see them because they are beyond the somewhat limited plains of our thought.

It is true that each human has a different way of thinking, so that could be why some people can see something like shadow people, things like ghosts, ectoplasm etc. and some people can see nothing at all. What we see in our minds may just be our individual way of explaining the utterly impossible thing we just saw. Maybe they work on a different level of reality or consciousness as humans?? That may also explain why animals have a more keen sense for them, maybe they can even see the otherworldly beings. Because their more "primitive" instincts and thought process's allow them to register them. Or maybe humans as a species have just become too closed minded to the possibilities, no matter what we wish to believe..."





That's a short little essay I wrote when I was 14 for English class...Anyways, it seems relevant for the topic at hand, I'm choosing not to edit it or change it at all, because in my naive and inexperienced youth I may have been on to something. Perhaps psychedelics are a way to tap into the subtle layers of reality that these creatures live on? I'll take some time out of my next high-dose trip to explore that theory...


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: DarkMoon21]
    #7091564 - 06/25/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

if psychedelics have taught ME anything it is that...

things are not always what they seem

and

everything matters


i have encountered an entity on mushrooms before...it was like a mix of fatherly figures and the image of jesus christ...idk it was strange but it was definitely the most intense experience of my life and all that he said to me i took as right and good...

i agree that they are not for everyone to encounter, and that people encounter them in many many different ways


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: Orbus]
    #7091568 - 06/25/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Orbus said:
The world is in your head, but your head is in the world. Ponder that and it should become apparent that if you percieve something as real then it's as real as it's going to get.





well put!


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7091918 - 06/25/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If anything is real, it's the "clear light". Everything else is an illusion. This "reality" is an illusion, and the psychedelic experience is an illusion (except for the clear light). In other words, the psychedelic experience is just as "real" as this reality. And when it takes you to the clear light, it's more real than this reality.


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Re: Reality of entities [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7093035 - 06/25/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I hold to the Hermetic axiom: "As above, so below. As below, so above." The stuff that happens to me while tripping, or any other mystical experience, may be "all in my head," but I think it has some correspondence in the collective unconscious. The universe is mental in nature, and thus any thought is a reality unto itself.


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