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spock1
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leaching store bought manure? *DELETED*
#7069193 - 06/20/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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spock
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: spock1]
#7069444 - 06/20/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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let it sit out in the sun(or at least open air) for a day or two before pasturization.
btw, cool name.
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CaptainLinger
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: spock]
#7069678 - 06/20/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Letting manure sit for a day or two will do nothing.
Furthermore the stuff you bought from teh store 1) is cpoo, and markedly less suitable for growing (it's fine, it'll work...but you'll need to combine with straw).
Also store bought manure is not only aged, but composted. There will be no problem using it as-is. Black dirt.
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spock
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7069862 - 06/20/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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sometimes store bought manuer is not as aged as you might think. in which case letting it sit lets any lingering urea evaporate.
Edited by spock (06/20/07 01:35 PM)
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Re: leaching store bought manure? *DELETED* [Re: spock]
#7070013 - 06/20/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: spock1]
#7070047 - 06/20/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rahz
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: spock]
#7070118 - 06/20/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've bought bagged cow manure several times. No one can say exactly how yours needs to be treated, but mine was fresh enough that it smelled like "shit". If this is the case, it will need to be leeched for, at least, several weeks, and watered down well in between.
There's no consistancy -w- bagged cow manure. I would use straight straw if I couldn't get h-poo.
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: Rahz]
#7071525 - 06/20/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldnt use it "as is" either, I bought a bag of manure from WalMart, it was just like dirt, no smell or anything. I threw it in a tuppeware container straight from the bag, with a colonized cake. Started out good, but within a week there was green mold forming. Trashed it.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7071962 - 06/20/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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CaptainLinger said: Letting manure sit for a day or two will do nothing.
Furthermore the stuff you bought from teh store 1) is cpoo, and markedly less suitable for growing (it's fine, it'll work...but you'll need to combine with straw).
Also store bought manure is not only aged, but composted. There will be no problem using it as-is. Black dirt.
I strongly disagree. Setting it out in the sun is the preferred procedure. The sun and air will flash away the ammonia from the urea. I rarely combine bagged cow manure with straw. Vermiculite is actually a better choice because it serves as a moisture reservoir. As for mycelium food, it takes a LOT of straw to do much good, but cow manure is actually higher in mushroom food than horse manure. Cut it with vermiculite after letting it sit in the sun for a few days, add up to ten percent gypsum to the amount of the manure, hydrate, pasteurize for an hour to an hour and a half at 140F to 170F and use. Good luck. RR
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7072429 - 06/20/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Vermiculite is actually a better choice because it serves as a moisture reservoir. As for mycelium food, it takes a LOT of straw to do much good, but cow manure is actually higher in mushroom food than horse manure. Cut it with vermiculite after letting it sit in the sun for a few days, add up to ten percent gypsum to the amount of the manure, hydrate, pasteurize for an hour to an hour and a half at 140F to 170F and use. Good luck. RR
roger thank you for that awesome tip. that solved some potential problems. can i also add coffee grinds at this time? or does the gypsum replace coffee? thanks again man. peace
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: freetree77]
#7074634 - 06/21/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Roger--
I didn't mean that setting it out would do nothing, rather that it will take more than a few days. At least IME I've needed two weeks or so to see the smell dissipate.
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I rarely combine bagged cow manure with straw. Vermiculite is actually a better choice
I should've thought of that! I'll give it a shot.
Sorry for the misinformation about the cpoo bags...sounds like a lot of you have received some real shit! I used to use bagged manure exclusively, and with many, many sources never got anything but a fine black dirt...very composted.
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I wouldnt use it "as is" either, I bought a bag of manure from WalMart, it was just like dirt, no smell or anything. I threw it in a tuppeware container straight from the bag, with a colonized cake. Started out good, but within a week there was green mold forming. Trashed it.
Well no shit. You forgot to pasteurize.
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BlufNBrent
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7077239 - 06/21/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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NO. I didnt forget. It was put outside from day 1 (Like Moes Outdoor Tek). It didnt need to be pasturized.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: leaching store bought manure? [Re: BlufNBrent]
#7077267 - 06/21/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're going to grow outdoors using bagged cow manure unpasteurized, put it in the ground, not in a tupperware. It needs the organisms in the soil to prevent contamination. I'd also suspect your cake was contaminated prior to spawning to the manure if it was green within a week. I've stored bagged cow manure outdoors for months without it growing trich.
If you spread the bagged cow manure out on a tarp in the hot sun, the ammonia is gone within hours. If it's cool weather, it might take a few days. RR
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