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exagram
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RadelBaluvar said: The best time to harvest the shrooms is the moment before they open their caps. And finally drying shrooms is a bit like making love: Don't rush. Give them time to slowly become mummy's.
Not to be a prude or anything, but how can you have been talking about this sort of thing for so long and still misspell 'mummies'?
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_OttO_
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CaptainLinger said: Yeah, if they don't get nice and crackly in the next 36 hours or so I'm going to go ahead and plug in the heating element on the dehydrator, see what we can do. I hate ruining the look of the big guys by slicing them :/ but just gently crushing the stem halfway through drying has seemed to work.
Why don't you just leave the heating element in to start with??
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: exagram]
#7078024 - 06/22/07 12:13 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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@ exagram
I beg your pardon.
English is a foreign language for me. My language is Swiss dialect (Not Swedish). Of course I have to look up many words in the dictionary and I also use the "Check Spelling" feature here at Shroomery.
Good grow
Edited by RadelBaluvar (06/22/07 12:38 AM)
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LVL12
Author andPerfector ofFailure
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RadelBaluvar said: @ exagram
I beg your pardon.
English is a foreign language for me. My language is Swiss dialect (Not Swedish). Of course I have to look up many words in the dictionary and I also use the "Check Spelling" feature here at Shroomery.
Good grow
sorry for jumping off topic but, to be able to write a foreign language is quite impressive, Good Job sir.
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JSshroom
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: LVL12]
#7079082 - 06/22/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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bring on the moderator. I do not see any potency loss after the caps open. Your own video has the caps open This is really getting off subject, but I have also dried shrooms at 150F and some at 95F. No one said anything different about the potency of them. I agree it does not hurt to give them an extra day just in case there is a potency difference. If there is one cap opened in a large clump. I let it mature, dump its spores, and wait for the others. Still no one said anything different. All I heard was those rocked. IME, of course yours may be different. You have a very different take on this whole subject though.
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: JSshroom]
#7079696 - 06/22/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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One can only guess. It (The matter) continuous to stay a rather theoretical discussion, because no one really knows for sure how the drying process influenced the Psilocybin content of shrooms.
Even Doctor Albert Hofmann, by the way also from Switzerland, would have great difficulties to answer this question. For an experiment we would need two identical twin shrooms, one with an open cap and one with the cap still closed. As we can see right here, there are no two identical twin shrooms, if one of the twins eats for a longer time from the substrate in order to have additional time to open the cap.
So what is the conclusion?
Well, it is a matter of taste. Shrooms with closed caps taste better; why should I eat spores? (as they are in open-cap-shrooms). Some young vegetable germ buds are often also more tasty then e.g. the mature bam-bus twigs. One has also to consider the shrooms exposing time to light. How the air influences the Psilocybin, and what does temperature to them.
The mummy-tek seems to me the most decent way to dry the shrooms, because this is nature pure.... and often that is the best solution.
I think: If someone puts the shrooms on an electric heater or in front of a fan and things like that, he/she is, in a spiritual sense, actually not entitled to eat shrooms.
There is, as it seems to me, a great deficit of knowledge about the cultivation of the shrommers spirit. The cultivation of the shrooms and the own spiritual cultivation/development should go hand in hand. Ancient shroom drying rituals must be obeyed very carefully.
@ JSshroom Yes, it is true, one can see some shrooms with open caps in the video; as an autodidact I must try out all the different things myself in order to find a clear-cut issue.
Edited by RadelBaluvar (06/22/07 09:37 PM)
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JSshroom
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the only way to do a side by side would be an isolate strain. shrooms weigh the same. so you would have a bigger one with a closed cap. shorter thats open to allow picking so they are the same size. Then pick a little off either way to make sure they are the same weight. I personally have to eat 7 grams minimum to set my trip off. That is off of shrooms that have some people seeing visuals at 1 1/4 grams. The same person would have to eat it, that recorded the quality and experience of the trip. Then do it about a month later.
I do not share the same extreme spiritual relationship with the caps as you do. I do know where you are coming from though. I also have my relationship with them. I view them as a drug thats effects are subject to the user. I have eaten 11 grams and had one hell of a good time. I ate 8 grams at once on an empty stomache and dipped in and out of a 4 1/2 to 5 level trip. That was not fun at all, but I never got upset about it. That was what was supposed to happen, and given what happened between me and another person. I saw something in them I wish had not been there.
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veilbreaker
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I have a question about 'cracker dryness.'
I have not yet dried any fruits of my own, but I have purchased dried mushrooms many times before (from as many different sources), and they've never been so dry that they're truly brittle. I mean, you could bend a skinny stem in half without breaking it.
I suppose this means that 2g of that level of dryness is much less potent than 2g of truly cracker dry mushrooms.
Or is the phrase 'cracker dry' a bit of an exaggeration? Are they really as brittle as soda biscuits (i.e. if you throw one at the wall will it shatter?)
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CaptainLinger
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It won't shatter. But it'll definitely crack if you bend it. There's a pretty clear line between pliable and brittle; they're brittle at the cracker dry stage. The huge ones have a bit of give, if not bend, to them.
And yes, I wouldn't assume it to be huge so long as the mushrooms were pretty dry, but a reasonable moisture content in your "dried" shrooms will affect weight.
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LVL12
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The ones i've had purchased that bend a little, i've found i can make dryer, cracker dry isnt an exaggeration so much as a comparison. Some of my larger hollowed stems have shattered when squeezed slightly to see if they were "cracker dry"
I dont know if its much less potent per weight when they're bendy, but i'd assume there is some kind of difference because if they're bendy there is definatly some moisture left in there and moisture will affect the weight, perhaps not greatly between very very dry and brittle dry, but who knows, water weighs quite a bit.
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JSshroom
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: LVL12]
#7081912 - 06/22/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah buying wet weight is a load of crap. I ran the dehydrator for 2 days and I thought it was done. Well it wasnt so I cranked it up to 145F for about 15 minutes. They were done then, and its back to 95F for the next run. I have a upper and lower dryer 24 stack, and another bottom heater with 8 odd trays. I will get a top one with some extra trays. I still like to fan dry them to begin with, while I clean the casing off of them. It is a major pain once they dry out. enough about all this off topic stuff
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JSshroom
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: JSshroom]
#7086686 - 06/24/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh another thing is. It took me about drying 1.4 pounds to figure out the right dryness for the small ones and the monsters. trial and error man. If you think a monster is dry. Cut it open and if it blues then its not dry. If it looks kind of pliable inside but is dry to the touch then it should be fine. I actually bag them up by the qp with coffee filter desiccant bags. I find after 1 day that no matter how dry they were. They still lose some weight
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Eraserhead
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: JSshroom]
#7086766 - 06/24/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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The bigger ones definitely get cracker dry, and brittle.
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JSshroom
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: Eraserhead]
#7088955 - 06/24/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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See how the stems can be hollow. Thats what makes them bend, and hard to tell if they are dry enough. If in doubt just run them a little longer or put them in the bag. Make a desiccant ball out of two coffee filters and a rubber band. I find that even if I cook those things at 150F then they always lose a little weight when I put the desiccant bags in there.
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mrEdude
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: JSshroom]
#7091087 - 06/25/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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man you get them mostly dried with the fan then stick them in an airtight container with tons of DrieRite (calcium chloride) to finish the job.
within a couple of days voila cracker-eque
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LVL12
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: mrEdude]
#7092561 - 06/25/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was going to do a huge experiment involving damp rid vs a dehydrator that dehydrate at 160, after putting the first batch into the dehydrator and then trying them, i cancelled the experiment, Its so much easier and i didnt notice any potency loss... cracker dry in 6-24 hours! *i'd say the average is like 8 hours*
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noodles
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: LVL12]
#7092700 - 06/25/07 10:09 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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We really need to sticky that video to the top of the forum.
If you guys missed it -
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JSshroom
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: noodles]
#7093419 - 06/26/07 01:36 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why? Its one guys perception of associating with nature. It has nothing to do with cultivation. If anywhere, it would go in the psychadelic experience forum. Nothing wrong with what he beleives about it. I did not gain anything from flipping through the vid.
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xaxphaanes
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: JSshroom]
#7093426 - 06/26/07 01:38 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol almost all of his vids are retarded.No offense but they dont really educate on a scientific level.
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RadelBaluvar
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Re: "Cracker Dry", eh? [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7093500 - 06/26/07 02:14 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK... if you don't ask me: Yes, I did compose and also play the music in that silly video.
The woman's voice comes from TextAloud.
Her name is Crystal16. She is a very dependable and also very willing gal. But I think she needs another heart attack from me... soon ! I'm always happy when the mighty shroom lets me synchronize the lightning of the fire right to a beat. Then I know, that the transcendent power is saved to the computer; yes, sure, it is a bit more, then common magic. And if the word "SEEFOOD" fits as tight as an Italian shoe, I am on the top and I almost have a spiritual orgasm. Yes folks, I am a very simple person, but I like me. I thrive on the unknown and unpredictable. Novelty is my middle name. I am a challenger. I tend to challenge common assumptions and beliefs. As an expert inventor and problem solver, I approach everything from new angles. I show people how to question their models of the world. PS. For full details see your windows help files. And finally: I am also near the top of my list of people to see.
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