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Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics)
    #707561 - 06/28/02 09:13 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Hello again. I made a thread yesterday with pictures of some mushrooms I found on my lawn, which, after taking a spore print, turned out to what I?m quite sure is Panaeolina foeniseci. Sorry for the mistake; I deleted my other post. It stormed pretty hard yesterday, and I went hunting in some nearby fields and pastures. I found some mushrooms that looked close to Panaeolus Subbalteatus, in that the gills seem similar, as does the stem, cap and spores. They were found in rotting hay, which, according to many different websites says is a good habitat for Pan. Subbs. I took a spore print of these mushrooms and it turned out blackish-purple. I am including pictures of the gills, caps, stems and spore print of these mushrooms. Hopefully one of you may be able to identify them. Thanks alot.






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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: flanders53]
    #707687 - 06/28/02 10:14 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

They look like subbs or mabye some castenifolies to me..But then again im new to shroom hunting!

Wait till somebody replys.



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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #707698 - 06/28/02 10:19 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I am too Niggy. This is the first time I actually think I might have found some good shrooms. I'm stoked. I'm not going to eat any until I'm 110% sure that they are what I think they are. Hopefully someone else will reply with a sure answer.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: flanders53]
    #707924 - 06/28/02 12:00 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Hi Flanders,
Congradulations,. After the pictures came up I recognized the neat shape of the underside of those shrooms and yes, they are Panaeolus subbalteatus. One fresh ounce is a dosage or three to five dried grams.

Enjoy. I use to make a tea of them becasue they are uh, yucky to the taste on the tingue trip. However, you lose much high when making a tea.

hava good time,

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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #707960 - 06/28/02 12:19 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Wow!! This is great news. Thanks alot mjshroomer. I really appreciate it. I never thought I'd find any..and now I did. And I found a bunch of them too!! Thanks again man.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #708069 - 06/28/02 01:25 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Congrats! How many g do you think you have there?


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: NiGGy]
    #708110 - 06/28/02 01:41 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Wet weight I'm estimating maybe 6 or 7 ounces. Maybe more, I'm not sure. I wish they were stronger, 3-5 grams seems like alot to eat dry. I might try some out tonight. I'm still kinda hesitant to eat 'em though, in fear that I might keel over and die. haha. There are more of the little guys out there, and I plan out going out again tomorrow for more.

Shroomsbury- I'm in Upstate NY. Hoping to find some Liberty Caps in the fall.

By the way, I have alot more now than in the above pics. I went out a few hours after posting and collected a few more ounces.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #708112 - 06/28/02 01:41 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Nice job. Where abouts do you live?


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: shroomsbury]
    #708335 - 06/28/02 03:38 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Nice job on those...I have found about a pound dry this month so far...all mixed panns...lot's of subbs and castaneifolius too. I have taken a bunch of photos that I will post next week some time...still using a SLR camera, need to get them developed..nice score.

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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #708352 - 06/28/02 03:48 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

How long do you look? Do they grow only on dung? Got any tips for me? Im going pasture hunting with a friend for the first time tomrrow! Thanks


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: flanders53]
    #708607 - 06/28/02 05:02 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

they should go real good with peanut butter cups, nice find keep hunting..


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #710141 - 06/29/02 03:13 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Niggy - Look in pastures, especially in places where there is hay strewn all over the ground, with manure mixed in with it. Thats where I found these, they love this habitat. I went back again this morning and picked probably another wet ounce. I left a bunch of small Subbs there in hopes that they get larger. I have a pretty important question- Since these subbs were in a mix of rotting hay/cow manure, do I have to boil them? I think I read somewhere that I should make a tea if they were in cow manure? Also, I picked two large subbs today, but they had already dropped their spores, and were on their way out. The cap is peeling and the mushroom looks dry and near death. Are this still alright to ingest? Thanks alot guys.

ps- I noticed some good blueing on the caps of the mushrooms I picked yesterday that are drying now.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #710143 - 06/29/02 03:17 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #710681 - 06/29/02 09:11 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Mr. Mushrooms. I need an answer quick about whether I have to make them in tea or not!!! I plan on eating in a few hours and need to know!!!!! thanks everyone.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #710965 - 06/29/02 11:19 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: flanders53]
    #710989 - 06/29/02 11:33 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Shit, I wanted to avoid boiling them. Should I boil them in a tea? How risky is it to just eat 'em? thanks for the reply Mr. Mushrooms, I appreciate it.


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    #711084 - 06/29/02 12:35 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks so much man. Sorry about all these questions. I have only one more before I ingest them. My friends and I agreed they smell sort of like very very strong mushrooms from the store(we smelled a whole ounce in a bag) and we might just eat them. What problems could result from eating them if they had bacteria on them? We will probably boil them, but I'd like to know anyways. Thanks alot.


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    #712482 - 06/30/02 02:35 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks dude. Last night, we boiled some water, and added the mushrooms. We let them sit for a few minutes before straining the water into the tea. After we drank it, I started feeling mild effects for about 2 hours. We were laughing alot, and I think my vision began to change a bit. But I think we underdosed. The first tea we made had about an ounce in (wet) and then we made more a little later, with probably a half ounce, and still we barely felt much. All the tea was split between three people, so I'm pretty sure we underdosed. Oh well, I'm going to try about a fresh ounce to myself tonight and see what happens. Thanks for the help everyone.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #712518 - 06/30/02 03:35 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

The dosage for Panaeolus subbalteaus is from one fresh ounce to an ounce and a half or from 3 to 5 or 6 grams dried.

That could be four large shrooms or as many as twenty or more to make the weight. Close to the cubensis weight but a little more are reqquired.

mj.

I think I have posted these dosages before.

AS for dosage guides, my books were the first to put individual dosages for the shrooms.

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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: mjshroomer]
    #712784 - 06/30/02 08:25 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

mjshroomer - Your definitely right. I'm sure we underdosed. None of us had scales, so I kind of guesstimated. Tonight I'm thinking of consuming an ounce or a little more to myself. Thanks!


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #712841 - 06/30/02 09:05 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybin tolerance builds up quickly, even if y ou had a mild dose yesterday it will likely deminish the effects today.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: baraka]
    #713391 - 06/30/02 02:14 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

That quickly? Whoa..I didn't know that. I have decided against tripping tonight anyways, I am sort of tired from last night, and plan on waking up early to go for a run. Thanks baraka.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #713499 - 06/30/02 03:26 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I sure would like a print of those Pan.subs!


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: Pinhead]
    #714823 - 07/01/02 01:13 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Check your PMs my friend.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: flanders53]
    #715217 - 07/01/02 07:25 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

yup, those be goodens. i second the id that those b pan subs


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: flanders53]
    #715591 - 07/01/02 11:23 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you,
These look exactly like the ones I have growing in my garden in Toronto. Even the spore print is identical. The reason I didn't get it was the color was very light and even colour and didn't show the darker ring. This morning they were pure white but as they age today they are getting a bit of tan in the centre like one of yours. This is the second flush in a week but I didn't notice the last one until they were almost finished and they were much darker. I have been putting composted cattle manurer in the gardens for years and I guess they just hitchicked here. I am still not perfectly sure about mine but I have something to compare them to now.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: Orchidman]
    #717993 - 07/02/02 11:52 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Flanders you have some great luck!

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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: Orchidman]
    #718139 - 07/02/02 01:34 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

What a difference a day makes. Tonight when I look at the mushrooms they have developed the little brown ring around the margin. Now I am 99% sure. The spore print is very dark brown. The gills were a very light washed out brown when young but aged to a light black. I looked at the spores under my microscope but it is only 200X so I didn't have a good look but they looked round and they could have been lense shaped but I didn't have enough magnification to see if they were compressed or ball shaped. They have the exact look of Pan subs now. The edges have started to split a bit but they are still standing tall after 3 days. The last 3 days have been unbearably hot and humid with humidex of 45c. These little mushrooms seem to thrive on it. I feel like I am wasting the mushrooms just sitting and watching. There are only 6 of them so I think I will just let them go to spores and give them a bit of manurer and next year they will come back again stronger. By the next flush I might be more definite on the ID. They have actually been there in that same spot for several years but I didn't do anything special for them.


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: Orchidman]
    #719460 - 07/03/02 03:18 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks FD. Orchidman- Be sure they aren't Pan. Foeniscii. Those have brown to purplish brown prints. Everyone check out my thread in the Pictures forum, I posted a bunch more a few days ago. I went back once more today..and didn't find as much as usual. Ah well, I left some to spread spores. By the way, I'm about to post a trip report in the trip report forum. These mushies offer some intense trips!!!!


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics [Re: flanders53]
    #723993 - 07/04/02 11:56 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

flanders53
These have prints that are very dark brown almost black but definitely brown with no sign of purple even in different lights. I am very good with colour as I studied art. I will wait till the next flush and examine them again. It is so silly as I just received the Pan sub prints from www.bluefairysupply.com because I wanted to naturalize them in the garden. I might have had them growing here for years. I will still work with Mr G's spores as his are supposed to be very strong. Then I won't have to guess what they are. I will study the foeniscii as you suggest, but the print colour is wrong. Are there any poisonous mushrooms that look like Pan subs?


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: flanders53]
    #26269564 - 10/22/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

since cows have many stomaches the crap is pretty steril, that is why shrooms grow  so well, plus the nutrients in the crap


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Re: Pan. Subbalteatus?(diff. from other post, pics) [Re: Aynej]
    #26269594 - 10/22/19 11:48 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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since cows have many stomaches the crap is pretty steril, that is why shrooms grow  so well, plus the nutrients in the crap




No no no
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