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Ice House Shaman
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Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences
#7069965 - 06/20/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have been using Salvia now since the beginning of 07. Since that time I have had breakthrough experiences about 20 times. I have always used in the same room in my house roughly same time of day same lighting. My experiences though they have evolved have been exactly the same, what I mean it the visuals are the same the experience the slice of the Holograph i visit is always the same the visuals are the same in texture and motif and meaning, However the experiences do seem to be evolving,ie going some where. I never have used a sitter. I always have gone it alone. I consider myself at 43 yrs old to be very experienced with all psychedelics, LSD, Shrooms, mescaline, DMT smoked and Ayahuasca, LSA, and even Ibogaine. About a month ago I had an experience with Sally that blew me apart, It literally fucked me up, I was lying down in my usual spot and did my business and my journey starts the same but I am going deeper than ever. I am being led or guided by .... Them....There was a part of me that must not have felt comfortable with this and I turned around. When I came too I was sitting in another room in the house. I vaguely remember getting off the bed and going. It was an attempt to beat feet and get away from where I was being taken. I wasn't scared it wasn't scary, but I may have been a bit overwhelmed like I wasn't coming back or ...? I don't know. I ran from where it was taking me. Well needless to say I didn't journey with Sally again for a month +. I was not sure if I should. I couldn't figure out what had happened. I was not afraid. I don't remember anything "frightening". I wanted to do it again for sure but It just didn't feel right. Yesterday I said "fuck it". It didn't feel right yesterday either, but I just figured, its time to ride! I decided on a lower dose one good toke , but not a huge toke. I broke through but not earth shattering. Everything was the same again. It was a short lived journey due to the dose. Normally I do two big tokes and the realm I exist in normally just kind of tears open and.......... So back to my point, Everything was fine but I still feel like I gotta do it some more. I am being called back, Thats for sure, I gotta go. I know I am going back to the point where I turned around last time. I am not afraid of that. Shit I don't even know why I spent so long explaining all this. My question is this do any others out there who do Sally have the same experience? I have heard others describe multiple differences in their trips. The other Sally trip reports I read have allot of variety to them. My journeys are very real and very consistent and they are unfolding and revealing as if they are episodes in a million part miniseries. they are always the same. Does anyone think that a change in venue when I smoke would help? I'm not positive but I have a feeling sometimes that my house or the room I do it in has something to do with the way I journey. Its like I have a feeling that there are different portals to where I am going on my journeys. I've typed enough... Anyone care to comment?
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Ice House Shaman
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Ice House Shaman]
#7070169 - 06/20/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Any sally users out there?
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Ice House Shaman]
#7070260 - 06/20/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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i definitely have some of the same feelings and vision every time. at first, i thought all my trips were similar but know it seems i can control them a lot more and they seem different now. i don't know, a lot of the experiences seem to have a similar theme but they differ a lot from each other.
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: maggotz]
#7070570 - 06/20/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ice House, I've only smoked now 4 times but I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND what you are saying! Everytime I smoke the journey begins the same way - my body has morphed from the same area, I've been "taken" into the same tunnel which begins at my bed. My bed is the portal, I've physically gotten up to get "away" from the potal and gone over to my window. Once I felt like a woman was trying to drag me back to the bed. One time it was a man.
Without going on and on, I too feel like each time I've smoked that it's had a lot to do with my actual room and physical setting. It's almost as if no matter what I do, I will be stuck with the bed being my portal trying to take me to some place I don't want to go. During my trips and even moreso after the "come down" phase, I find myself wondering if it would be different if I were smoking in another physical location.
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: maggotz]
#7070584 - 06/20/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ya, I definetly have somewhat the same effects pretty much everytime I smoke salvia, especially the visual effects. My visuals pretty much always consist of a layering effect which makes it feel like Im traveling through many different rooms or dimensions although every room or dimension consists of things that are in the room Im currently in at the time of smoking. For example, first time I smoked it, what I described above was happening and I'd see my friend than I would be broken up into a different "room" or "layer" (which feels somewhat 2D) and I would be wondring where my friend was and trying to look for him, and I would go through a few more "rooms" before coming back to the one with my friend and this would repeat itself until I came down.
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Ice House Shaman]
#7070663 - 06/20/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here's something a posted in the Trip Report forum on my salvia experiences. This was after I smoked 20x.
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Every time I smoke salvia similar themes emerge ('themes' simply meaning how I feel, what I see, etc.). After the last time I smoked 20x I was better able to verbalize my experience, though.
For me, objects seem to take on a personality. For example, it's as if the door or the wall or my clothes hanging in the closet take on a personality and can talk to me. Now, I do not literally hear voices coming from these things, but it's as if they are communicating with me.
At the same time that everyday objects were seemingly augmented with personality traits, I was essentially reduced to an object with a personality. That is, as everyday objects seemed to take on attributes they normally do not have, I (as a conscious, thiking person and not an 'object') seemed to be reduced to an objectified personality. In other words, I was on an equal level with these everyday objects in my room.
This helped me realize why there are so many reports out there of people merging with objects, etc. I eventually became just another object, and lost touch with what it felt like to even be a conscious, thinking human being. For some reason I then felt as if someone was going to come and move everything. Like, literally move everything in the room as if going to a new place. This was very strange as I was included in teh objects that one would pick up, box, and move to a new location.
So I guess the key point of the trip was that everyday, nonliving objects took on a greater meaning (they seemed to have some sort of personality) while I was reduced to just another object like they were.
Anyways, the imagery of lego blocks and thickly-painted wood figures reminded me of the way things seem when I smoke salvia. I have always described things as look very distinct and geometric. Objects are clearly distinct from other objects and have a very defined form. I suspect that, although this is a very subjective experience from person to person, similar themes are likely evident between people; furthermore, from my own experiences I can attest to the fact that every salvia trip is quite similar for me. Or at the very least each trip involves similar themes as previously described.
I wouldn't say any of it really reflects some unconscious desire or way I see the world. I always view these experiences as valuable in the sense that they allow me to experience completely altered states of consciousness and different frames of reference. I often think of things and in ways that simply would never have occurred in a normal state. I think of it as exercising my mind as opposed to unlocking some eternal truth of my subconscious or anything like that.
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Zaprabe]
#7070676 - 06/20/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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In response to the original inquiry, I'm not sure a change in setting will have substantial effects on the trip itself. My experiences have all involved similar themes, feelings, etc. despite having smoked salvia in different places in different times, both in solitude and around others. But it could very well be different for you, as this is inevitably a highly subjective experience.
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Ice House Shaman
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Bawstun]
#7071267 - 06/20/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bawstun your reply is simple yet amazing. I connect with it..... You know what the fuck I'm talking about. I lay on a bed when I do it also but my bed is not connected with the morph its more like an upper corner of my house is. A part one would normally never see. Its where the roof/joists, ceiling/rafters, and walls/studs all intersect. I don't see all that, thats just a reference point. But I have also had a female or females communicating to me, but not directly and not through voice or sound, it is female however. I see my reference point and I'm seeing life, tendrils or tentacles that are joined to or are a part of the portal I am going through. They are alive they are holding it open for me and acknowledging my entrance. They are honoring my presence. They are a part of the whole. A question for any readers here, Does anyone think that smoking more will get me beyond this. I believe I am already smoking quite a bit. What I am experiencing is total disconnected open eye visuals, very vivid. This is very haunting.
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Zaprabe]
#7071328 - 06/20/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Reading your trip report is what fucks me all up. Please, No disrespect intended. Your report is fairly similar to others I have read. I have read a shit load. I believe I read well over a hundred before I finally committed to Sally. I have now read hundreds. I don't see objects at all. I am completely out of this realm. I don't see myself, just like I don't as I am typing this reply, I am experiencing. I am, for lack of a better word a soul. Nothing I see is even remotely familiar. I cant look at my hands and see snakes or at a tree and see something else. It's complete disassociation. Alien. Its not at all scary. I feel no fear. Just strange. I do know that this sliver of the matrix I visit is real. It is always going on. It exists. I believe it knows about me all the time................Sometimes I wish my experiences were more like others.
My experiences have added an eeriness to my normal life because I know this is going some where, some place unknown.
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Ice House Shaman]
#7071361 - 06/20/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, when I "peaked" on 20x I was no longer a human being. I essentially realized this but was unable to remember what being a person felt like or even meant. As I stated in my trip report, I was de-personalized and felt like a non-living object. In that state I was experiencing from a completely different frame of reference. I suppose you could say it was in some sort of alternate reality, but in experessing a highly subjective drug experience I try my best to use simple language so as best to convey my experience to others in a coherent fashion.
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Zaprabe]
#7071600 - 06/20/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've tripped 4 times on Salvia now with varying doses and I get the same result. It's what seems eerily creepy to me - I almost can't tell if it's real, or in my mind. Is my brain 'wired' in a sense to make me always trip the same way? I've even tried plain leaf over 10x and I get the SAME result each time. There is a portal, and it begins at my pillow where I lay my head, and it extens to the wall directly at the head of my bed. It opens up and I get pulled inside by entities. I don't physically see them, although once I swore I saw one that was a shadow. This was the male time. I had enough consciousness to get out of bed, trying to 'fight' the trip. I remember going over to my window telling the male to 'shut up, leave me alone, shut up' and eventually he was gone and the portal was gone. The entire time I was walking to the window it was as if I was still being pulled to my right.
I vividly remember getting up and thinking about this forum saying "You're going to get up and tell everyone about this. You have to tell someone about this before you forget." because it seemed so real.
I hate the feeling though. 4 different times and the same feelings and same vivid visions have me really freaked - it's almost as if now I'm starting to convince myself that this place in my wall exists LOL. It sounds crazy, but as soon as I smoke, it's there. I'm sure all this posting about it and thinking about it over and over doesn't help.
I too am wondering if a higher dosage would help me break past this stage, but truthfully I'm scared a higher dosage might just take me there and prevent me from fighting it. I don't know what to do, I wish my trips were more like the ones I've read too. I read dozens upon dozens before smoking, and I so far have not had meaningful visions like most. Mine scare me.
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Bawstun]
#7071624 - 06/20/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I always have the exact same experience, odd, but i dig it.
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Ice House Shaman
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Re: Themes, trends, or variety of Salvia Experiences [Re: Bawstun]
#7071645 - 06/20/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am with ya.
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