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vandago


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Festivals?
#6991549 - 05/31/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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How do festivals go on?
What I am referring to is a place about an hour away from where I live where there are festivals every other weekend. This place is a huge campground thats private property and bands play there constantly. Now at these festivals everyone and their grandma have known for the last 40 years that you can score the most amazing illegal substances there.
How do the cops let it happen?
Are the cops paid off?
Do they own the place and watch who sells the drugs their and traces it to their homes?
any info would be greatly appreciated because I know there is other spots for festivals in other states just like this one.
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doodoomaster
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Re: Festivals? [Re: vandago]
#6991884 - 05/31/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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If they didn't know they do now.
I think it really depends on how laws are enforced in your area. Some places are more liberal or not.
Be careful and don't buy anything from a guy wearing new balence shoes.
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fastfred
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> How do the cops let it happen?
What do you mean? How could they stop it?
It's private property, they can't enter without a warrant. Their only choice is to set up a road block or send in undercover agents. They do both all the time. It just doesn't really make a difference. Undercovers are usually easy to spot and routine traffic stops are illegal in a lot of states.
They do both in my state, but it doesn't make much of a difference. The dealers usually get there early or slip it in with the bands or use some other method. The sponsors often have their own security and don't let the cops come in. And undercovers are usually hesitant to jump into a situation where they might be beat to death by hundreds of people if discovered.
Any cop activity is constantly reported by people coming in. Any narcs discovered usually have people pointing at them hollering NARC! Then they are escorted out before they get beaten up usually.
If the cops do come charging in they have to do so in force because it often turns into a riot. People see them coming a long ways away and scatter. They run and/or ditch/consume their drugs. And people start to leave blocking the road and causing a traffic jam. By the time the cops get there there's nothing they can do and they're dealing with a large, angry crowd.
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Quote:
doodoomaster said:
Be careful and don't buy anything from a guy wearing new balence shoes.
If you buy smt from an undercover,you can get arrested ? Isn't that entrapment? (whatever it is called)
I thought you were in deep shit when you sold to a narc...
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> If you buy smt from an undercover,you can get arrested ? Isn't that entrapment?
Yep, nope. Entrapment is only when they cause you do something that you wouldn't otherwise do. Such as if they said "I'll give you $10 to go grab that girl's ass," and then busted you for it.
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Re: Festivals? [Re: fastfred]
#7000522 - 06/02/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh...that's fucked up!!!
damn the po po and their hypocrisy...
EDIT: Wait...what's the difference between " Such as if they said "I'll give you $10 to go grab that girl's ass," and then busted you for it."
and ". Such as if they said "I'll give you a hit to go get me $10 ," and then busted you for it."
 it must be quite different in their little fucked up heads
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Edited by John Smith (06/02/07 04:11 PM)
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fastfred
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Simply advertising your wares isn't enough to coerce someone into doing something that they wouldn't otherwise do.
Entrapment laws exist only to keep LEOs from causing crime by motivating good citizens to do bad things that they wouldn't otherwise do.
When they say "$10 for a hit," that isn't going to cause someone who doesn't do drugs to suddenly turn into a drug user.
Offering someone money to grab ass creates an incentive that wouldn't normally be present and could cause someone who would never normally be grabbing ass to do it. That's why it would be entrapment.
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Re: Festivals? [Re: fastfred]
#7002174 - 06/03/07 02:34 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah,I got the concept behind entrapment...But I still think its very low to sell and then bust.... Where has the "We only want the dealers" argument gone? Out the window,just like all the rest of the crap the police says...
What are the consequences if one buys from a narc? Will the affair go to court or the cops will just use it to pressure you in talking (ratting someone)
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I would not really worry about buying from a cop. If you are selling drugs, then you need to be more worried.
And as they said above, there is only so much cops can do. They do not do well against large numbers of people who pay their salaries, and usually let stuff slide for the majority of people.
Same reason you can smoke pot at concerts that have heavy police presence. They might bust you if you are being a dick about it, but they cant bust everyone...and would rather be in the new for busting a couple large time dealers, then 500+ kids, having to deal with their parents, and 500 court appearences for a %50 fine each at the expense of hundreds on paperwork, court time, and other stuff.
Id be more worried about the drive home, where you dont have the power of a crowd
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Re: Festivals? [Re: tak]
#7003522 - 06/03/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah going in and out a festival is like crossing the mexico border...:)
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Quote:
doodoomaster said: Be careful and don't buy anything from a guy wearing new balence shoes.
Hey! I wear New Balance shoes. They're great. Cheap and comfy. Not that I sell anything, but my life would become difficult if everyone started acting suspicious of people wearing New Balance shoes
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Re: Festivals? [Re: Ziggen]
#7069891 - 06/20/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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you have it wrong about the undercovers, 90% of the time they will work like this
they will be at the festival, they will be blended in. they will have alot of cash, and definately be 'down', and hard to spot.
they will make lots of small buys, and try and find more later, working their way up to the suppliers. from there they will usually buy about 10 hits or somthing small to gain their trust. they will pay alot of money for it, and not try and cut a really good deal.
after that, they are going to want to hit you up for some more after the fest, more quantity than you have on hand at the time. they will get your number and your info.
after the festival is over, they will hit you up, and make the big deal. thats when they will bust you. i know several people that this has happened to. Its standard procedure for raves.
most of the time where there are undercovers at a fest, they will be undercover the whole time, theyre much more effective that way.
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