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Silversoul
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: SurCal]
#7071349 - 06/20/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most of my astral travels occur in higher dimensions. I've not yet tried roaming the earth in my astral body.
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SurCal
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: Silversoul]
#7071363 - 06/20/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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What do you mean not your way? Maybe you could bring the people you have a strong connection to with you?
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: Silversoul]
#7071367 - 06/20/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Most of my astral travels occur in higher dimensions. I've not yet tried roaming the earth in my astral body.
How do you no there "higher dimensions" and your not just dreaming.
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: SurCal]
#7071386 - 06/20/07 07:30 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Most of my astral travels occur in higher dimensions. I've not yet tried roaming the earth in my astral body.
How do you no there "higher dimensions" and your not just dreaming.
Well, I know I'm not "dreaming" because I'm awake. As for whether it's just a product of my imagination, I can't say it isn't. All that I will say is that I've gotten useful information out of it, and even if it is all fake, it sure is fun.
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: Silversoul]
#7071406 - 06/20/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Have you ever lucid dreamed? It feels like your awake too.
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Silversoul
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: SurCal]
#7071418 - 06/20/07 07:35 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think I've had lucid dreams before, but this isn't what I'm talking about. I do the astral travel sitting up. I prefer channeling though, which is kind of similar.
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: SurCal]
#7071427 - 06/20/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are awake since you can "wake" up at your will.
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Something else to look into is Awareness During Sleep Paralysis (ASP?) They've tried to explain it scientificly, but others still relate it somehow to astral projection. I forget a lot of it now, but there was a time when I was going through some meaningful dreams. Possibly seeing my guide from a distance, but not meeting him/her/it. I was also having dreams of encountering bad/evil entities. a very powerful time in my life that I lost touch with. I never astral projected, but I was interestred in it. don't expect many to encourage or believe you. It's a rare thought process and consideration, but I won't say there's nothing to it. Obviously humans don't know much of shit and there's a lot more out there and going on than we think of. So I say buy books and read about it. but also look into Awareness During Sleep Paralysis because somehow it could be connected. If you ever expetrience it, it can be very very scary the first few times until you get use to it. You're aware, but you're body is completely paralyzed no matter how hard you try to move. A tip, if this happens, try to move your pinky finger. sometimes it helps to bring you out of the state. But trying to scream or move an arm is futile. I learned the pinky tip from a book and it does work. Like I said, it can be scary, but if you can get use to it, this may also be the point where astral projection may or may not be able to occur. Very deep stuff. PS Some think it might have to do with "alien abdictions"... This is not the case for me. In no way do I think its related. This link has some stuff about it. He gets more detailed about its association with OBE towards the end. http://www.robertpeterson.org/asp.htm
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: SurCal]
#7071586 - 06/20/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Most of my astral travels occur in higher dimensions. I've not yet tried roaming the earth in my astral body.
How do you no there "higher dimensions" and your not just dreaming.
how do you know you're "lovemaking" and not just fucking?
Don't mistake the forest for the trees. To give something a name is to have obliterated its novelty. To be able to give something a name is psychedelic.
The people that use the word dream are the type of people that are rarely if ever conscious. The people that create the word drug are the people that wage a war. Pot is no more a drug than an entheogen. We even run into problems by calling it "pot" as this denotes certain ideas. Pot is psychedelic in a way, yet, this is not commonly thought of........
anyway, Randi is a sham. this doesn't mean I think you can go into the physical world and learn things, I've tried and it didn't really work, I'm just saying I don't think people should use Randi as a reason to bludgeon a mental ethnicity.
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=50207&hl=randi
for instance what I mean is even that I say Randi is a sham, he may not be. The goal is to come to no firm conclusions and wield them as swords.
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Possibly seeing my guide from a distance, but not meeting him/her/it.
I'm having trouble with this term. What do you understand by "guide"? Isn't that still you, in a more aware state?
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Possibly seeing my guide from a distance, but not meeting him/her/it.
I'm having trouble with this term. What do you understand by "guide"? Isn't that still you, in a more aware state?
I've never read that, but anything is possible, since I'm not a expert. but to my knowledge, it's the one who "guides" you through the experience. A helper you could say. I don't remember all I read, (A few years ago.), but I think it's possible to have "conversations" with this entity and to learn of more... Learn of what, I'm not sure. But it's a decision to listen or to not listen, to follow or to not follow. The guide will not come over to you and "shake your hand and introduce themself". It's a choice of your own. If I had pursued these experiences, I would have eventually tried to make contact, but I left the attempts behind when my life changed in "the real world."
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Yes... it's not what you read, it's what I observed. It's still me No outside entities.
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yeah but their are outside entities. like me or that other old creppy guy that lives down the street or that medicine man that lives in a cave.
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: thedudenj]
#7071834 - 06/20/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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thedudenj said: ...or that other old creppy guy that lives down the street...
Hey, I'm not that creepy.
Well, that is only because you finally installed some blinds on your windows...
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Possibly seeing my guide from a distance, but not meeting him/her/it.
I'm having trouble with this term. What do you understand by "guide"? Isn't that still you, in a more aware state?
Indeed. The entity I contact most often is my Higher Self, or what Crowley calls the "Holy Guardian Angel." It is that transcendent part of myself which resides in Tiferet.
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MushroomTrip said: Yes... it's not what you read, it's what I observed. It's still me No outside entities.
If that were the case, then it's either the wiser subconscious of yourself or yourself from a future realm of time. Either is possible, although I'm not very able to understand existing in more than one way at the same time. Other than just in a random dream. I have encountered outside entities and they were evil. although I wasn't astral projecting at the time. through the experiences, you can meet entities that are good and others that are evil. Some are pleasuable experiences and others will mislead you into terror. I think that's what the guide is for. To help you.
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: Silversoul]
#7072413 - 06/20/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Possibly seeing my guide from a distance, but not meeting him/her/it.
I'm having trouble with this term. What do you understand by "guide"? Isn't that still you, in a more aware state?
Indeed. The entity I contact most often is my Higher Self, or what Crowley calls the "Holy Guardian Angel." It is that transcendent part of myself which resides in Tiferet.
Yes. Exactly
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Re: Astral projecting [Re: Silversoul]
#7072443 - 06/20/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Possibly seeing my guide from a distance, but not meeting him/her/it.
I'm having trouble with this term. What do you understand by "guide"? Isn't that still you, in a more aware state?
Indeed. The entity I contact most often is my Higher Self, or what Crowley calls the "Holy Guardian Angel." It is that transcendent part of myself which resides in Tiferet.
*<--This asterisk symbolizes an intrigued face with a brow raised
... interesting
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If that were the case, then it's either the wiser subconscious of yourself or yourself from a future realm of time. Either is possible, although I'm not very able to understand existing in more than one way at the same time.
There are multiple "us" in different circumstance and different levels of awareness. And the best part is that we can enter in contact with that which appeals to us more, at our Will. Turning the subconscious into superconscious
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I have encountered outside entities and they were evil. although I wasn't astral projecting at the time.
Those can easily be projections of your own mind. Our mind is a very powerful tool that's exactly the reason why we need to learn how to use it and be aware of the fact that out subconscious is part of us, not something that comes from the "outside". I think you heard the expression "your mind playing tricks on you" and I highly disagree with that view because it's a distortion if the truth. It's not "our mind" as an outside factor independent from us. It is us the ones who are playing those "tricks" on ourselves.
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through the experiences, you can meet entities that are good and others that are evil. Some are pleasuable experiences and others will mislead you into terror. I think that's what the guide is for. To help you.
This is a more delicate and tricky matter which is rarely true. Holds so much more to the MRP I think and again I think it's very healthy for our mental sanity to accept the fact that in most of the situations it's still us. The "evil" and the "good". Why do I think it's a healthy attitude to realize that? Because we need to take responsibility for what happens to us, to be more exact, for what we make happen. Viewing these things, these "entities" as something we could depend on can turn into confusion, fear, or even a more deeper psychological disorder.
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So then you're saying everything is self manifested? Hmm, maybe. But then if that's the case, how far does it go? If my mind manifests everything, then there is nothing to explore because it's only my own mind doing whatever it feels like when I'm sleeping. And hence dreams are nothing but residue .. Meaningless residue. I can contact my neighbor by ringing the doorbell.. But in dreams, it's always me? There's no way to connect to anyone? Anything? I think it's possible for you to see yourself and your subconscious can reflect that into visuals, but I still believe in guides. you weren't in my head when I had these visuals and don't know the feelings that I had. I'm not saying you're wrong, but there are written materials on connecting with guides, that aren't you in any way.
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