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Cannabis and anasthesia interactions?
    #7064087 - 06/19/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I have heard from a freind told by his doctor that a chronic chronic user will die very easily during anasthesia. Like a 50/50 or something. I guess you just never wake up because you have a hard time breathing. I dunno, sounded more legit when he explained it. I have looked everywhere and can't find a sure ansewer to this question. Anyway, anyone ever heard anything? please only ppl who know, I dont want to hear "this is stupid" or a "probably not because i dont think so" I know it sounds like bullshit, it does to me too. But i am worried because i might have to undergo surgery.

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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: drugsaregoodmmk]
    #7064101 - 06/19/07 12:57 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Why wouldn't it apply to cigarette smokers too?

This is stupid.


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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: drugsaregoodmmk]
    #7064103 - 06/19/07 12:57 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

smoking (anything) before an operation that involves anesthesia is a bad idea. you can definitely stop breathing during the operation. it's why they tell cigarette smokers to stop smoking for a week before surgery, i would think the same would go for cannabis because it's still smoke.

i don't think it's 50/50, but it's best to quit smoking before an operation. you can always go back to smoking once your released from the hospital, etc.


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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #7064136 - 06/19/07 01:14 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

yea, thats what i am saying. acidic sloth if your right but what about a sudden accident? This happened to me before however i was not smoking. You would think this would be more heard about if this was the case


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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: drugsaregoodmmk]
    #7064316 - 06/19/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

what the hell are you talking about?

i know i'm right, i've had surgery a few times and every time i'm told NOT TO SMOKE ANYTHING!


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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #7064432 - 06/19/07 04:23 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Acidic_Sloth said:
what the hell are you talking about?

i know i'm right, i've had surgery a few times and every time i'm told NOT TO SMOKE ANYTHING!




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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #7064636 - 06/19/07 06:05 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Wow interesting, good info though.


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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: drugsaregoodmmk]
    #7064774 - 06/19/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Actually there is truth to this but, like we say in Holland: "the soup isn't eaten as hot as it's served".

50/50 chance of dying is bullshit and it does injustice to the fine art of anesthesiology. Anesthesia for surgery is being constantly monitored and adjusted to match your condition at that very moment. If you're too far under they use less gas and when you're too shallow into it they crank it up to get you to Phase III-I again.

Cannabis does pose a significant risk. As a toker you probably noticed that the combination of weed and alcohol can be synergistic - produce stronger effects, as well as making side effects increase.

Basically you can liken surgical anesthesia to making you drink 50 shots of whiskey at once so you pass out. With alcohol this cannot be done because the risk of death is way too great. They instead of alcohol use inhalants especially designed to be far more "narcotic" but far less toxic than alcohol. So for instance they took this:

CH3-CH2-OH <--- Alcohol

and turned it into this:

CF3-CHBrCl <--- Halothane

Halothane (and the fluranes and whatnot) are improved versions of alcohol for the induction of narcosis. No merry drunkenness - it knocks you the fuck out in a far safer way than alcohol would.

What you will be given through the breathing mask will for instance be a mixture of oxygen (life support) nitrous oxide (carrier/anaesthetic) and halothane, something like a 30/70 O2/N2O mix with 0.25-3% Halothane in the mix adjusted to get you where you should be and keep you there.



Now the problem with weed is that, just like it can greatly potentiate alcohol's effects, it can do the same things with anaesthetics. And you now know that anaesthetics are administered in (comparatively) huge doses.

So if you got THC in your system (and you know it lingers for quite some days after quitting heavy use) the anesthetic might work too potently, or there may be side effects. If you two weeks or so before surgery have quit heavy pot use (which you should do) you might need a bit more anaesthetic than a normal person to put you under.

Quit pot at least two weeks before surgery and only use it again after you have been discharged from the hospital.


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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: Asante]
    #7064781 - 06/19/07 08:05 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: :thumbup:


nice!

but i think you're gonna have to use smaller words next time because i don't think our little friend is going to understand the majority of that.


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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #7065192 - 06/19/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

its not a good idea. it happened to me. i had it in my system two days before plus oxycodone and like i quit breathing for a minute during a surgery. but i was takening a fuckload of tylox


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Re: Cannabis and anesthesia does not matter [Re: drugsaregoodmmk]
    #7065238 - 06/19/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

There are MILLIONS of people addicted to smoking.  How many of them, really stop smoking before surgery?  How much lung function do the get back, from there brief smoking hiatus?

eating before surgery is 1000X worst than smoking.

a good anesthetist/anesthesiologist is going to be on top of shit/people have varying tolerances anyway.

Bottom Line, Dont lie to the doctors that are about to knock you out, and cut you up.:bongload:


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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #7066651 - 06/19/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

HAHA! dude, sorry for the shitty and hard to understand post. I was saying that what you said is exactly what i was trying to say. THe only thing is what about sudden accidents? Wiccan you didnt even ansewer this. I am quite worried about that for the rest of my life. Now i can quite.


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Re: Cannabis and anasthesia interactions? [Re: drugsaregoodmmk]
    #7066730 - 06/19/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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THe only thing is what about sudden accidents? Wiccan you didnt even ansewer this. I am quite worried about that for the rest of my life. Now i can quit





Accidents can't wait. But the same thing goes for having drunken alcohol or certain prescription medications.

Let's say that your chance of dying by the anesthesia is one in 50.000. If you're a super stoner who lives life three tokes away from passing out :wink: that risk may perhaps be 1 in 5.000 so there is a significant increase in risk, but a good anesthesist ought to be able to compensate for heavy pot use in most cases.

Modern anesthesia is a wonderful thing. The patient breathes in, one dose added, the patient exhales and the effect decreases a bit. An anesthesist has a lot of opportunities during the course of a surgery to adjust the dosage and you'll be hooked up to state-of-the-art life support monitors.

Usually by far the greatest problem is the surgery itself, not the anesthesia.

But, like said: if the surgeon has a word with you during the preparation for a surgery, call on patient confidentiality and then tell him what you've been doing with pot and alcohol the past few weeks, especially if there has been heavy use.


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