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Scalloped oysters?
    #7066037 - 06/19/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Knocked up 6 jars with Ban Hau Thanon(cubes). One Contam, one overlayed, three pinning cubes and then this. Can anyone help identify it?








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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: newbmush]
    #7066043 - 06/19/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You should probably get a mod to move this to hunting, they will probably have a better response for you over there.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7066083 - 06/19/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Not a bad idea. It's definitely an oyster, though. Can't take you anywhere, but you can certainly make a nice stir-fry.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7066109 - 06/19/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Sooo you got sold wrong spores?


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: DiabloSmurf]
    #7066130 - 06/19/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

No, it's better than that, read up. He used the same syringe to make some cakes of cubes and one cake of oysters. Sounds like the cube spores got contaminated somehow with oyster spores.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7066142 - 06/19/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It could be that both spores were in the syringe, and they were merely the more dominant on this particular cake, whereas the cubes ran the other one.

I flipped through my book, and it has the characteristics of oysters, excepting the lined cap with the notches. Oysters are supposed to have smooth caps. As said, move it to hunting for a solid I.D.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7066145 - 06/19/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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It could be that both spores were in the syringe, and they were merely the more dominant on this particular cake, whereas the cubes ran the other one.




That's what I said. :P


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7066153 - 06/19/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry, 4 hours of sleep last night. I was reading it as if you were saying that he knocked up a couple of P. cube cakes, and then somewhere between those and the next, the syringe miraculously attracted oyster spores. I know, it sounds stupid, but I'm bushed. My bad.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #7069138 - 06/20/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone? I agree it looks like an oyster but I have never grown them just go out to the woods to get them. The only thing is I can't find a picture of a Pleurotus sp. with a scalloped edge of the cap.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: newbmush]
    #7069567 - 06/20/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that's what's tripping me up too, just get a mod to move it to the hunting forum and you will get a better opinion.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: newbmush]
    #7112409 - 06/30/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: Workman]
    #7112546 - 06/30/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks Workman.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: newbmush]
    #7112569 - 06/30/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Not a problem. Its an aggressive little beasty that will grow on almost anything.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: Workman]
    #7113221 - 06/30/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Wow. Good to know. I've never seen another perfectus take over a cake as a contaminant. That's really interesting stuff.

Let this be a lesson to all (and to me, most of all): Just because it looks like a friendly doesn't mean it is!

So what's your diagnosis? Contaminated spores, or contaminated cake post-colonization? Is S. commune a truly parasitic organism, or is it just something that gets in during/prior to colonization and colonizes part of the cake before the cubensis can get to it?


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7117092 - 07/01/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

It is more of a competitor than a parasite (unless it gets into your sinuses).

It is hard to say where it came from originally. Examination of any remaining spore solution might show S. commune spores but it could have come from the environment.

I am leaning more towards contaminated syringes. Another report is here and its hard to believe its a coincidence.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7117226&page=0&vc=1&PHPSESSID=#Post7117226


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: newbmush]
    #7119633 - 07/02/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Newbmush, where did you get the syringe from??


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: CureCat]
    #7120123 - 07/02/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ralphsters. I chucked that cake and I have another one that I suspect has it.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: newbmush]
    #7120287 - 07/02/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Other one was Hawk's Eye.

Ralphster and Hawk's Eye both do their own prints, right? They're not just middle-man vendors?


Okay, I'm not much good at identification, but there is also a third thread very similar to this--with the same (mis?)diagnosis.


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Very different, visually, but vaguely similar to the Hawk's Eye case you linked to. I don't know, they clearly have long stalks. What do you think?

Edit: I see you've responded to that guy, too. You really get around! Anyway, I guess this sort of thing is bound to happen now and then. I don't see how this could be anything other than a problem with non-cube spores the ordered syringes, though, the more I think about it. I don't see how spores that aren't mold-style aggressive could take over a cake post-inoculation. There would have to be a really significant quantity of spores in the inoculant, too, unless these species are simply that much more aggressive than cubensis. As I understand it, cubensis is pretty aggressive, too.


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7120309 - 07/02/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ralph is ralph, Hawk's Eye is completely separate. We'll see...


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Re: Scalloped oysters? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7121879 - 07/02/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Okay, I'm not much good at identification, but there is also a third thread very similar to this--with the same (mis?)diagnosis.

Very different, visually, but vaguely similar to the Hawk's Eye case you linked to. I don't know, they clearly have long stalks. What do you think?



That is an oyster (Pleurotus ostreatus) contamination!  :smile:



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I don't see how spores that aren't mold-style aggressive could take over a cake post-inoculation. There would have to be a really significant quantity of spores in the inoculant, too, unless these species are simply that much more aggressive than cubensis. As I understand it, cubensis is pretty aggressive, too.



You got it.  "Split Gills" or Schizophyllum commune is a vigorous mushroom.  The will colonize just about anything, including human lungs!  If there were even a couple of S. commune spores floating around with hundreds or thousands of P. cubensis spores, I would not be surprised if the Split Gills came out on top.  The mushrooms growth is just sooo aggressive.

Interesting that the syringes orginated from two seperate vendors....


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