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Veritas
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Re: Emotions [Re: Rose]
#7066677 - 06/19/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK, you were re-interpreting the term--gotcha. I doubt that homosexuality will increase relative to the population, but infertility does tend to increase as a population outgrows the natural resources and/or space available to live in. Homosexuality seems to exist at a certain percentage in animal populations, and would appear to be a genetic "quirk" as opposed to a response to environment.
You probably know that all fetuses are "female" until/unless they are exposed to testosterone in utero. It seems that a small percentage of chromosomally male fetuses are exposed to less testosterone than others, and a small percentage of chromosomally female fetuses are exposed to small amounts of testosterone. The hormonal difference is not enough to create a hermaphrodite, but it changes the fetus' brain. In some cases (think: "Boys Don't Cry"), this alteration is significant enough to cause gender conflict.
Very interesting stuff! I've always felt that my brain and sex drive leaned towards the male side of this hormonal teeter-totter, but that might just be relative to my particular culture.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Veritas]
#7066709 - 06/19/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: ...Homosexuality seems to exist at a certain percentage in animal populations, and would appear to be a genetic "quirk" as opposed to a response to environment.
Is racism genetic? Preference for Indian food? I think homophobia, racism or a habitual dislike of certain foods, is more a factor of circumstance than genetic.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Booby]
#7066740 - 06/19/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Homophobia, racism & enjoying hot curries are all examples of acquired preferences. These preferences do not exist in other animal populations, but homosexuality does. This indicates a genetic basis. In addition, brain studies have shown beyond question that the brains of homosexuals have much more in common with brains of the opposite sex than they do with their own sex.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Booby]
#7066763 - 06/19/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: ...Homosexuality seems to exist at a certain percentage in animal populations, and would appear to be a genetic "quirk" as opposed to a response to environment.
Is racism genetic? Preference for Indian food? I think homophobia, racism or a habitual dislike of certain foods, is more a factor of circumstance than genetic.
If preference for ethnic cuisine is genetic then a Thai baby raised in Brooklyn would naturaly revert to a Thai preference I presume.
Perhaps sexual appetite and food preference are not both covered by genetic influences. Or maybe it's only the sexual preference.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Veritas]
#7066797 - 06/19/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: Homophobia, racism & enjoying hot curries are all examples of acquired preferences. These preferences do not exist in other animal populations, but homosexuality does. This indicates a genetic basis. In addition, brain studies have shown beyond question that the brains of homosexuals have much more in common with brains of the opposite sex than they do with their own sex.
I would imagine that varying preferences in diet occurs within the same species when groups of such species are isolated from one another (such as apes). If such is the case then acquired preferences does exist in other species. I guess this is a question for zoologists?
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Re: Emotions [Re: Booby]
#7066821 - 06/19/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have not heard of another animal with a preference for hot curries.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Veritas]
#7066909 - 06/19/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just think, if we can determine that all homo's are genetic, then we could determine that all psycho's and petty thieves are genetic.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Booby]
#7066919 - 06/19/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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*sigh* Apples and oranges.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Veritas]
#7066936 - 06/19/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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We've determined that the physical characteristics are genetic and now we want to confirm that mental characteristics are also genetic.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Veritas]
#7066946 - 06/19/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: I have not heard of another animal with a preference for hot curries.
My dog loves hot curries. She'll take them over bland food any day, even though you can see tears streaming from her eyes as she gobbles them down.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Booby]
#7066954 - 06/19/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Booby said: We've determined that the physical characteristics are genetic and now we want to confirm that mental characteristics are also genetic.
Everything psychological is both genetic and acquired. There is a medium and there are those acquired things which happen to that medium, shaping it. This is why almost everything genetically determined is in fact a genetic "predisposition", not a deterministic certainty.
It's simple, and yet everyone refuses to consider that a gray answer is more correct than a black and white one.
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Simpler if it's black & white.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Booby]
#7066972 - 06/19/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Homosexuality is more akin to a physical characteristic than a mental characteristic, as the actual structure of the brain is different. This is not about preferring blonds to brunettes.
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Veritas said: I have not heard of another animal with a preference for hot curries.
My dog loves hot curries. She'll take them over bland food any day, even though you can see tears streaming from her eyes as she gobbles them down.
Yes, she has learned to like them through your offering them to her. It is not as though she was wandering in the wild & came across a bowl of hot curry. No wild animals have a natural preference for curry, yet a significant percentage have a natural preference for the same sex.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Veritas]
#7066981 - 06/19/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then a catscan will determine if I am a homosexual? ( or predisposed as such?)
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Re: Emotions [Re: Booby]
#7067010 - 06/19/07 07:06 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nope, you'll have to wait for the autopsy results.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Veritas]
#7067040 - 06/19/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then I guess there is no argument against your assumption that all homosexuals are genetically divergent as their brain indicates upon removal and dissection.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Booby]
#7067049 - 06/19/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not "my" assumption, it's the results of research.
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Re: Emotions [Re: Veritas]
#7067056 - 06/19/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Could the research be biased ya think?
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Re: Emotions [Re: Booby]
#7067074 - 06/19/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, the research involves several different studies, all of which examined the brains of heterosexual and homosexual men and women. If there was bias, it was very widespread & involved successfully faking physical evidence.
If anything, I'd say the bias goes in the other direction--that homosexuals could change and be "normal" if they wanted.
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