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OfflineFrenchSocialist
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Iraq surge a failure, top Democrats tell Bush
    #7051768 - 06/16/07 01:05 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - Top US congressional Democrats bluntly told
President George W. Bush Wednesday that his
Iraq troop "surge" policy was a failure, as the
Pentagon submitted a report saying early results of the strategy were mixed.
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi challenged the president over Iraq by sending him a letter ahead of a White House meeting later on Wednesday.

The escalation "has failed to produce the intended results," Reid and Pelosi wrote, saying that the larger US force "has had little impact in curbing the violence or fostering political reconciliation.

"It has not enhanced AmericaÂ’s national security. The unsettling reality is that instances of violence against Iraqis remain high and attacks on US forces have increased.

"In fact, the last two months of the war were the deadliest to date for US troops."

The letter appeared to preview a fresh showdown over Iraq between anti-war Democrats and the president, just a few weeks after Bush forced his foes to strip troop withdrawal timelines from a 100 billion dollar emergency war budget.

Pelosi and Reid also told Bush that they planned to send him new legislation to "limit the US mission in Iraq, begin the phased redeployment of US forces, and bring the war to a responsible end."

The United States is sending 30,000 more troops into Iraq as part of a strategy announced by Bush in January to bring down violence in Baghdad and the restive, Sunni-majority Al-Anbar province.

The reinforcements are being sent over several months with the last combat brigade due to be operational later this month, raising the US military contingent in Iraq to 160,000.

Bush, speaking at a fundraising dinner for Republican congressional candidates in Washington, said he had talked Wednesday to the commander of US forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus, about the surge.

"The final troops have just arrived," Bush said, reporting "some progress and some setbacks."

The Pentagon report submitted Wednesday to Congress, which covers the period between February and May 2007, said the surge was "a greatly increased effort to secure turbulent areas to give Iraqis political space to implement reforms and pursue reconciliation among competing factions."

It added: "It is too soon to assess results."

"Positive indicators include a decrease in civilian murders and sectarian violence in Baghdad and in total attacks in Anbar province, while negative indicators include the rise of high-profile attacks and expanded use of explosively formed projectiles."

The report, which is a quarterly assessment on progress on the war in Iraq mandated by law, says that reconciliation among the Iraq's diverse factions "remains a serious unfulfilled objective."

The country's "principal economic driver," oil production, "is not growing and remained at about the same levels as during this period in 2006 due to poor infrastructure and inadequate security," it added.

The report and the letter come just days after the US military mourned its 3,500th soldier killed in action in Iraq and amid more bloodshed in Iraq.

Suspected Al-Qaeda militants blew up Wednesday the two minarets of a revered Shiite shrine in the Iraqi town of Samarra, 15 months after a first bombing at the mosque sparked brutal sectarian killings.

The bombing threatens to spark another surge in sectarian violence that could doom US efforts in Iraq.

The next critical point in the showdown between Bush and Congress over Iraq is expected in September, when Petraeus is due to report on progress in the "surge".

Even senior Republicans have said they expected the president will have little choice but to make adjustments in the Iraq strategy, once the report is made public.




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Re: Iraq surge a failure, top Democrats tell Bush [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #7052419 - 06/16/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

OOOOOOOH. The two leading Democrats playing politics with a war. What a surprise. Declaring a strategy not even yet fully implemented a failure. The troops just fucking got there Harry. Sound analysis from a traitor. Congress's approval rating is lower than Bush's and Reid's is a staggering 19%. Meanwhile:

UN extends forces mandate in Iraq
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/32FDCBFD-5E06-40A0-B25B-2B8CCBD1A5D3.htm


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Re: Iraq surge a failure, top Democrats tell Bush [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7052449 - 06/16/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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OOOOOOOH. The two leading Democrats playing politics with a war. What a surprise. Declaring a strategy not even yet fully implemented a failure. The troops just fucking got there Harry. Sound analysis from a traitor. Congress's approval rating is lower than Bush's and Reid's is a staggering 19%. Meanwhile:




So do You believe 30,000 more targets will help a lost cause? It is painfully obvious to anyone who lived during vietnam what is happening in Iraq. We didn't really go there to win, just to fight, and die. As for "approval" ratings we havent had a government I have heard anyone say " they did a damn fine job" about jack shit for at least three decades. So what is your solution Zappa? do we keep throwing bodies in the mill? do we get out before it escaltes into another vietnam?

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OOOOOOOH. The two leading Democrats playing politics with a war.




It is obvious you do not remember the republican partisan politics played out while kennedy and johnson were in the whitehouse during vietnam.

We made this mistake once already in southest asia. That not only our leaders were ready to make it again is incredible but that the people do not remember the bullshit and lies that make up the case for a war like this. Just as Vietnam was "A war to stem communism" and Iraq is a "War to end terrorism", Both are lies. Wars are waged to profit or protect profit for someone or something not to solve the woes of man.
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Re: Iraq surge a failure, top Democrats tell Bush [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7052529 - 06/16/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Just because Reid disagree with you about the merit of the war doesn't make him a traitor. I think we should pull out right now. Does that make me a traitor?

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Re: Iraq surge a failure, top Democrats tell Bush [Re: whiterasta]
    #7052896 - 06/16/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Just as Vietnam was "A war to stem communism" and Iraq is a "War to end terrorism", Both are lies.




Yep. The Vietnam war was pushed with the "Domino Theory"- the fear that communism would spread to country after country like dominos falling into each other. The same theory also got the Reagan administration in trouble over the Iran-Contra scandal.

The most damaging legacy of the Bush administration might be the idea that pre-emptive war is a legitimate tool of foreign policy. Hopefully the public will see that too as a fool's errand.

The Bush crew could not find a way to push this war without cooking intelligence, using Colin Powell in the most despicable way, and hiring a PR firm (the Rendon group) to sell the war. (Yes, they really did that).

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/8798997/the_man_who_sold_the_war


If Iraq had really represented a clear threat they wouldn't have needed all the smoke and mirrors.


We don't need to be fighting wars over "stuff" or delusions about "spreading democracy". If another country is foolish enough to attack within our borders or there is an attack on the U.S. Constitution then we should fight. Most other rationales put forward represent someone's imperial foreign adventures for profit.

Whenever we have ignored Eisenhower's warning about the military-industrial complex we have run into trouble.


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OfflineFrenchSocialist
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Re: Iraq surge a failure, top Democrats tell Bush [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7054999 - 06/17/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
OOOOOOOH. The two leading Democrats playing politics with a war. What a surprise.




Wow you being dismissive of everything the democrats say: what a surprise.


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zappaisgod said:Declaring a strategy not even yet fully implemented a failure.




The strategy is a failure. The war is a failure. The neo-cons are a failure. And by blindly supporting them you are a failure. These failures get our soldiers killed for sake of hubris and ideology.




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zappaisgod said:The troops just fucking got there Harry.




What? I thought the war was started years ago.

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zappaisgod said:Sound analysis from a traitor.




Umm no. The traitor is the one who is pursuing failed strategies.

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zappaisgod said:Congress's approval rating is lower than Bush's and Reid's is a staggering 19%.




Now if only wars were determined by political polling.....



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zappaisgod said:UN extends forces mandate in Iraq
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/32FDCBFD-5E06-40A0-B25B-2B8CCBD1A5D3.htm




Too little, too late.


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