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 HeyZeus
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 Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... 
#7049187 - 06/15/07 11:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey. I have had cambodian in my incubater for a good 14 days and it is totally colonized. I am waiting on finishing my glove box and fruiting chamber. From what I understand it doesn't matter how long the substrate jar of rye is in the incubater because it won't fruit until temp and light change. However, is this true? I have broken up the jar 3 times and tried to do it a fourth today so the now fully colonized jar would not solidify...It appears as though I am too late. I banged the jar on my hand for a solid five minutes and only got a small crack line but no chunks. Can I just wait until I case and break it up with sterlized forks?? Also, the mycelium appears to have more moisture the more colonized it gets; almost like a clear jelly around the inside of the jar. Will this get worse the longer I leave it in incubation? Is that bad? My other question(s) regards doing the casing. Do you have to really make the casings in a steril bathroom? In one video they indicated the fully colonized rye jar wouldn't get contaminated because it has a strong hold and can fight contams. Is this true? Can I open the jars and perform the casing switch in a decently cleaned kitchen??? Thanks once again for your time...
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TheFish
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Re: Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... [Re: HeyZeus]
#7049240 - 06/15/07 11:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. Why do you need to wait for a glovebox or fruiting chamber when you have to wait for your casings to colonize? You should only shake your jars once during colonization, and that should be done around 20% colonization. Continuous shaking can cause jars to stall out. If you want to hold the jars for the time being, stick em in the fridge. The colder temperature will stop mycellial growth, and they'll be ready when you need em.
2. The clear jelly around the jar is just moisture. It will do absolutely no harm, and I find that it helps to get the cake out when it's in one piece. As far as getting the colonized grains out, simply wipe a butter knife with rubbing alcohol, allow it to dry, and then break the cake into pieces until it comes out of the jar. Then just crumble the pieces when you make your casing.
3. I've always done mine in a small bathroom, just because it's easier to sterilize, but then again, the bathroom is the dirtiest place in a house. Use lysol as a surface disenfectant, and oust as an air disenfectant. I've been using those two in conjunction for many years now with no contams. The only area that I've been introduced to contams is within the casing layer itself. If you're going to make your own casing layer, make sure it's sterile or you could be very dissapointed in the future.
Best of luck to you in your ventures both near and far.
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figgusfiddus
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Re: Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... [Re: TheFish]
#7049260 - 06/15/07 11:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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TheFish said:
1. Why do you need to wait for a glovebox or fruiting chamber when you have to wait for your casings to colonize? You should only shake your jars once during colonization, and that should be done around 20% colonization. Continuous shaking can cause jars to stall out. If you want to hold the jars for the time being, stick em in the fridge. The colder temperature will stop mycellial growth, and they'll be ready when you need em.
Many people suggest shaking at 20% and between 50-75%. So far I've been gauging it and making a decision according to how much large space is still uncolonized at the 50-75% stage. The time lost to the stall is sometimes made up for by the circulation of colonized grain to uncolonized areas--sometimes not. Additionally, the jars aren't going to go bad at room temp--mycelial growth doesn't exactly burst jars a la the Bruce Banner's buttond-down shirts, and it won't pin as long as it's dark.
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3. I've always done mine in a small bathroom, just because it's easier to sterilize, but then again, the bathroom is the dirtiest place in a house. Use lysol as a surface disenfectant, and oust as an air disenfectant. I've been using those two in conjunction for many years now with no contams. The only area that I've been introduced to contams is within the casing layer itself. If you're going to make your own casing layer, make sure it's sterile or you could be very dissapointed in the future.
Best of luck to you in your ventures both near and far.
Yeah, bathrooms are pretty filthy. I actually prefer a neutral area, neither bedroom, bathroom, nor kitchen, when possible. If you have a dinner table-type area, that's great.
Also, to clarify/disagree with above poster, make sure your casings are pasteurized, not sterile! Trich loves sterilized casings.
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Edited by figgusfiddus (06/15/07 11:55 AM)
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 Psychoslut
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Re: Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... [Re: HeyZeus]
#7049282 - 06/15/07 12:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can remove the grain from the jar with a sterile fork.
If you want to make it so that the partially colonized grain will break up inside the jar you have to make the jars a little drier. If there is too much moisture the mycelium will grow very tenaciously and hold the grain together like cement.
Also try to fill the jar a little less.
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TheFish
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Re: Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7051615 - 06/15/07 11:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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figgusfiddus said:Also, to clarify/disagree with above poster, make sure your casings are pasteurized, not sterile! Trich loves sterilized casings.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... [Re: TheFish]
#7051726 - 06/16/07 12:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Temp is irrelevant, and light only becomes a secondary pinning trigger when the primary pinning triggers of full colonization, and an increase in air exchange occurs.
Break up jars of rye by banging against a fully inflated tire, not your hand. If you bang against your hand hard enough to break up a fully colonized jar, you'll break your bones. Remove grains after breaking them up against a tire, by simply removing the lid and pouring the grains out. No tools necessary.
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HeyZeus
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Re: Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7051813 - 06/16/07 01:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whats the difference between pasturize and sterilize????? And what is Trich???? I was just gonna pop the mixture in canning jars and throw in PC for 1 hr @ 15 psi.... Is that all I need to do?
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Re: Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... [Re: HeyZeus]
#13712914 - 12/31/10 07:52 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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hi you all, I just fully colonized some rye jars, my question is my rye wont break up, can I just leave it and let it fruit like in the brown rice flour or does it really need to be broken up?
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... [Re: circuspimp]
#13713194 - 12/31/10 09:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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If the rye won't break up enough to pour out by banging against a tire or phone book, then it's contaminated with bacteria.
RR
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Re: Time in Incubater and Trouble Breaking Rye.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13713735 - 01/01/11 01:40 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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well there was no other color other than white like a velvet white. I have pics of it in my pics I dont know have to post them in the treads
I know they are terrible pics but i did not want to expose it to contaims.
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