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OfflineGrogan
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Re: last casing attempt before switching to cakes [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #7039856 - 06/12/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Dude.. yeah you count that but.. spawn run, casing time, then pin formation... alot more time ... and alot more time for contams to get hold..


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Re: last casing attempt before switching to cakes [Re: Grogan]
    #7039904 - 06/12/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

just saying.. 12 cakes per monotub.. a 921 would hold what around 40 pf jars.. thats 3 mono tubs.. in the time it takes you to fiddle with all that substrate and casing stuff.. you can have 2-3 loads of 1/2 pints thats like.. 100 pf jars.. just use a dish washer for them..

if they put off 7 grams dry per cake, thats 700 grams..


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Re: last casing attempt before switching to cakes [Re: Grogan]
    #7039947 - 06/12/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

wanna race? lol


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Re: last casing attempt before switching to cakes [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #7039972 - 06/12/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Like I said if I was a pf master.. I would haha.. NEVER EVER did the pf tech.. just saw some good grows by fahster!

Just saying theres SOOOOOO much prep.. if you just wanted ez shrooms.. that would be it!! Maybe not the BIGGEST shrooms.. but if it has higher BE then it just does! I mean you could get REALLY fast with that. WBS rye and such its EZ to make a huge mess.. then having to clean for the spawning etc.. lots of work!!


Dishwasher, PC and tons of flours pre-mixed with verm... just add water when ready lol..


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Re: last casing attempt before switching to cakes [Re: Grogan]
    #7040020 - 06/12/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Easy shrooms. Exactly. Until you grow bulk.

My entire point was that trying to grow large amounts of mushrooms via PF Tek is simply inefficient.

If you can't get for-your-effort, better yields from bulk substrate, notwithstanding the additional complexity and issues...

You need to reexamine how you do things.

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Re: last casing attempt before switching to cakes [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7040047 - 06/12/07 10:55 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Speaking from my experiance, I would think that going back to basics would be a good idea. If you can't make casings or bulk substrate work, then starting from scratch, from where many people start, can give you the base knowledge you need.

My first grow was done strictly following the PF Tek method. In no way was I expecting to grow pounds, but I felt I was being well enough rewarded for my efforts. Then I tried one bulk substrate grow and one casing grow. Both were horrible disasters...So, I went back to basics. Back to tried and true. Now, having enough experiance under my belt, I feel confident enough that I could make a bulk or casing work. I've just decided that I will stick with what I know works, and I'm happy with that.

My two cents.


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Re: last casing attempt before switching to cakes [Re: CaptTrip]
    #7040134 - 06/12/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Captain v. Captain!

1) This guy grew, and is familiar with, PF.
2) You, at least from what you say, have never had a successful bulk grow. He's had several successful, if not prolific, bulk grows.
3) Is that even relevant? This guy didn't go back to PF for experience, or nuance, but yield. Unrealistic.

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Re: last casing attempt before switching to cakes [Re: Grogan]
    #7040137 - 06/12/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Ive had PF cakes yeild more then some casings ive had. i love this thread.

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Re: last casing attempt before switching to cakes [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7040174 - 06/12/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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CaptainLinger said:
Captain v. Captain!

1) This guy grew, and is familiar with, PF.
2) You, at least from what you say, have never had a successful bulk grow. He's had several successful, if not prolific, bulk grows.
3) Is that even relevant? This guy didn't go back to PF for experience, or nuance, but yield. Unrealistic.




From reading his post, I was under the assumption he had never grown PF style. I guess I took his terminology of "trying pf cakes" too literally. Also I understood that he hasn't had decent results with bulk grow...I'm talking about the original thread maker though. Maybe we aren't talking about the same thing.


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I think you have the right idea [Re: CaptTrip]
    #7043735 - 06/13/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Moon_glue

MGMC seems to work for a lot of folks Blutjager uses it and from the pics I've seen he gets excellent results.  I'm planning on trying it with a few of my jars from my next grow.  Your techniques sound good according to my reading.  Pictures would be helpful though.  Also it occurred to me that your casing might not have been at proper field capacity when created in the first place.  Perhaps too moist?  I asked Blutjager about how he prepares his MGMC.  He kindly replied with the following
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Just take out any sticks or anything that seem like it shouldn't be there,some bags have few and some have none but I just take them out if I see them,than I pasteurize.Monstermitch spells it out good in this >> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5669077/an/0/page/0 thread,scroll down till you see the pasteurization part.The only thing I do differently is I never hydrate it ahead of time,I find it allot easier to apply when it is dry and it also gives you better control of your moisture as you will begin spraying it down till it glistens anyway




I've read about people using straight vermiculite as a casing before but it's said that it isn't an optimal micro climate.  I'm still a little hazy on the micro climate concept as far as everything that entails.  I get that you need a moisture reservoir the rest ... well I guess you'll have to figure that one out.

I think you have the right idea about doing some BRF cakes and doing some cased grain spawn.  I'm doing the same thing.  Who cares what tek you use.  The point is to amuse yourself in the process, or at least that's the point of my being in this hobby.  Find out what you like and go with it.

I'd listen to RR about the corn though.  It probably wouldn't hurt to switch to rye or WBS.  He's always given me 100% accurate advice in the past. 

Now as far as your misting goes I think your supposed to fan then mist.  Make sure to do that at a distance so you get a nice ultra fine mist and spray upward not directly at the casing.  You probably are already doing that but I thought it worth mentioning.  I've read it so many times in so many threads it must be important.  I've never misted my casings.  They were too moist to begin with.

I hope that helps.  :goodluck:  I hope your next grow gives you fruits the size of Ron Jeremy's ... money maker. :laugh:

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