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chairmanK
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
#7032004 - 06/10/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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People in psychedelic states commonly report seeing wires or threads wound together into rope-like patterns. Obviously, if you're living in a culture in which the DNA double-helix structure has become a popular-science visual cliche, you will be inclined to interpret these visual patterns as "strands of DNA". I wonder whether people in a hunter-gatherer society interpret the same visual patterns as "the spinning-thread of the cosmic Goddess" or something similarly appropriate to their material culture.
@ yageman: What are you talking about? Your thoughts make no sense. You, not scout24, seem to be one who doesn't understand evolution through natural selection. Your appeal to the authority of the Heffter Research Institute only further diminishes your credibility. I've looked at the list of publications that were funded by HRI, and not one of those studies has anything to do with the "interaction between our thoughts and our dna".
Christ, you and DontFearThePeepr sound like a couple of fundamentalist Christians who are trying promote "Intelligent Design" with obscurantism and contempt for science.
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yageman
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: chairmanK]
#7032057 - 06/10/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow some people here are just tainting the community here with off the cuff rubbish.
I didnt tell you what to believe. This is science bubba.
I didnt give a link and I dont care.
Tell me why, given the point I was making, since you know so much about hefter,......lol, why do you think what I say makes no sense?
A leaf looks like a leaf for whatever reason, a certain bug looks like that same leaf because it feeds off of that plant.
How amazing is that? Well thats up to you, GUY who cant create a linear conversation with me and instead would like to claim that I make no sense.
The bug looks like the plant. it feels like the plant, it can even move like the plant. I only said so much in this thread so you might as well make your reply pertinent to what I was saying if you want to say that my OBVIOUSLY readable remarks make no sense.
9 posts and already completly ridiculous? Well thats pretty amazing wankshank
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Edited by yageman (06/10/07 11:10 PM)
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DontFearThePeepr
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: chairmanK]
#7032395 - 06/11/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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lolololol
i've actually thought the same thing about myself and i'll actually agree with you there, i must sound like some religious drug nut. and i commend your crass approach to commenting on that, def. makes it seem like i suck at thinking.
so you and scout are both from san fran, huh? hm..
would either of you happen to be specialists on dna or evolution? not smart-assing, honest question. if im wrong, im wrong. i dont have a problem with that. just prove it.
anyway, you're right about the whole double helix hallucination being deemed 'dna' because of its context in our modern society though. for example, if macdonald's logo was a double helix instead of a giant freaking M, and we didnt know that dna looks like a double helix, and there was no other implication for a double helix then Jon might have asked the forum 'why did i hallucinate the macdonald's logo while i was tripping??' so there's a +1 for you.
but what was your point exactly?? im wrong and im crazy? am i giving these drugs, our minds, and the rest of the universe too much credit? is that why i sound fundamentalist?
these substances and our species somehow evolved to a point of symbiotic relation. the chemical structure of a tryptamine psychedelic fits right in with neurotransmitters in our own heads. and as we all know, this most certainly has an impact on our thoughts.
how could this have happened? furthermore, why? if you know why, then please elaborate. cause the rest of the scientific community is still pretty fuzzy on the whole thing. also if you can explain how it is fact that our thoughts dont have any impact on our dna then this would also be a good way to put this dispute to rest.
from what i know, dna has everything to do with the way we are as well as every other living organism in the universe. now, i think i've heard that changes to us cause changes in our dna. for example, isnt that what causes cancer? if something like a microwave can send out electromagnetic waves that reprogram cellular dna to reproduce uncontrollably then i would THINK there's at least a slim chance that our own thoughts (which btw dictate our every action) can maybe have a slight impact on the way we live our lives and further develop.
i could go on, but since i have class in the morning i think i should actually get some sleep. i sure hope you've got some more input on the matter. i'd be sort of disappointed (but not really) if i took the time to type this out and got nothing out of it. im also wondering if your boisterous and intolerant attitude bears any merit. you'd think someone would have learned something about keeping their ego in check if their hobbies include consuming drugs known for their ego dissolving characteristics.
oh and sorry for sounding rude.
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chairmanK
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
#7032520 - 06/11/07 03:48 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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the eerie thing is that it's like dna has a sort of outside perspective, where even though the species itself wouldnt be able to notice a flaw in its own blueprint, the dna somehow picks up cues on where to improve/change/develop its own genetic design.
You, me, the walking-stick insect - we are all just gigantic conglomerations of cells. A cell is just a complicated sack of goo. DNA is one of the molecules that makes up this goo. There are companies that can sell you grams of nearly-pure DNA (usually extracted from salmon sperm, because sperm cells are full of DNA). It comes in a vial like any other chemical. Just by looking at it, you can't even tell that the DNA came from salmon without doing some pretty sophisticated tests. My point here is that we can think about DNA and life in the same way that we think about chemistry in general. You and I are just walking, talking bundles of chemical reactions.
Different individuals of the same species have slightly different DNA. Your DNA is not exactly the same as my DNA, and this explains why you don't look like my identical twin. For example, your eye color is not the same as mine, and this difference in eye color can be attributed to differences in a particular part of our DNA. There's a little part of my DNA that contains the program, "make the eyes brown" (I have brown eyes). Someone who has blue eyes has a slightly different program in their DNA, which corresponds to "make th eyes blue".[note*]
Now suppose that an evil dictator takes over the world and kills all people with blue eyes. The blue-eyed people disappear, and we're left with a human species in which everyone has non-blue eyes. Now if you were to sample the DNA of the surviving humans, you would discover that their DNA doesn't contain the blue-eye pattern - obviously, because everyone who did have the blue-eye DNA pattern is dead. So you could correctly state that the average DNA of the human species changes in response to the selective pressure of the evil dictator.
But in this scenario, does the DNA "notice a flaw in its own blueprint"? Does the DNA within human beings "improve/change/develop its own genetic design"? Of course not. Some individuals who are unlucky enough to have a certain pattern of DNA get killed, while other individuals are fortunate enough to live and produce offspring. It seems like the blue-eyed pattern got "edited out" from the human species. But DNA itself doesn't know anything.
In the real world, the selective pressure is not exerted by an evil dictator, but instead arises from climate, availability of food, predation, social competition, etc. (As an aside, notice how domestic farm animals are subject to natural selection by humans. Obviously, it would be ridiculous to say that the DNA of a cow has an "outside perspective" on the purposes of the farmers who are breeding the cow.)
This is the basic idea of the theory of natural selection; I hope that my explanation makes sense. Your teachers ought to have taught you this in basic high school biology. But schools generally suck, so I'm not surprised that your teachers never bothered to teach this very important idea. Besides, even the current president of the United States is not sure about natural selection.
* Actually, the genetics of human eye color are not so simple. But let's assume that eye color works like this for simplicity of argument.
Edited by chairmanK (06/11/07 04:25 AM)
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: chairmanK]
#7032759 - 06/11/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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chairmanK
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: Revelation]
#7033147 - 06/11/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Please tell me that you posted that link as a joke. UFOs? Kabala? OMG WTF! That's yet another crazy person whose thoughts don't make any sense...
And there's nothing magical about photon emission from DNA. Everything kicks off photons at some low rate.
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John Smith
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: chairmanK]
#7033228 - 06/11/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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read a book from Jeremy Narby called The Cosmic Serpent...;)
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: yageman]
#7034156 - 06/11/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can see DNA without even tripping, I did it in 9th grade for a biology lab. All I did was extract the DNA from strawberries, its pretty neat, no big deal though.
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: learningtofly]
#7034456 - 06/11/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Evolution is fascinating. I'm all for speculation about it's ultimate meaning. However, speculation that isn't grounded in what we do know is worthless.
yageman, perhaps I misunderstood your posts. I was trying to be helpful. But since you felt it necessary to insult me, here's a tip for you: learn to write and lay off the drugs long enough to check into reality. Your ideas are worthless fantasy.
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onlynow
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: learningtofly]
#7062379 - 06/18/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: You can see DNA without even tripping, I did it in 9th grade for a biology lab. All I did was extract the DNA from strawberries, its pretty neat, no big deal though.
there is a difference between seeing dna with your physical eyes and with your minds eye
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Re: Have you ever hallucinated strands of DNA tripping? [Re: onlynow]
#7062403 - 06/18/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I read this book once called "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot. It's this theory, or paradigm, about how the universe has very holographic traits. But anyways, there was this one story in it of a scientist/professor who traveled to some south American country to study the hallucinogens that the natives used in their ceremonies. He drank a strong brew of ayahuasca tea and tripped major balls. He later told of how he saw strands of DNA, and mystical eagles and dragons.
Pretty crazy how I end up reading that on here too.
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