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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #7017487 - 06/06/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I have had the queen album,led zep,and the ELO album and spun them backwards myself many years ago.It is true that some bands did this.


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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: JunkFood]
    #7017512 - 06/06/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

wow thats pretty interesting. One of my friends was telling me about how they worshiped Satan and stuff, he told me quite a bit about it. He told me about thye backward messages and that's what made me check them out. Last night was the first time I actually heard anything like that.

Thanks for throwing all the links in here everyone.


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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: JunkFood]
    #7017792 - 06/07/07 12:42 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Apparantly they later somehow removed the backwards message: http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87861&p=776694




You know that the message is supposedly the result of hearing the vocals played backwards, right? That means that as long as those same lyrics are present they will always make the same backwards sound, it also means that the only way to remove any backwards message is to remove the vocals completely from the mix.

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Led Zeppelin has for the most part ignored such claims; for years the only comment came from Swan Song Records which issued the statement: "Our turntables only play in one direction—forwards". Zeppelin producer Eddie Kramer confirmed this, calling the allegations "totally and utterly ridiculous. Why would they want to spend so much studio time doing something so dumb?"[17] Robert Plant expressed frustration with the accusations in an interview: "To me it's very sad, because 'Stairway To Heaven' was written with every best intention, and as far as reversing tapes and putting messages on the end, that's not my idea of making music."[18]

An informal experiment by scientist Simon Singh suggested that listeners only hear the message after prompting.





Saying that the message was there but removed is almost further fetched than claiming that it was there in the first place.

"It was some cynical aside about a woman getting everything she wanted all the time without giving back any thought or consideration. The first line begins with that cynical sweep of the hand ... and it softened up after that." - Robert Plant


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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: JunkFood]
    #7017799 - 06/07/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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JunkFood said:
Apparantly they later somehow removed the backwards message: http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87861&p=776694




Apparently... according to some nobody on a message board who doesn't have a source. And the very next person says "That song was written by Plant when he was on LSD."

How impressive to have 2 posters in a row with such active imaginations.
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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7017811 - 06/07/07 12:48 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

i think the backwards message had to do with the way he pronounce the words, but im not sure. im guessing u'd know before i would judging from ur avatar lol


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"You have answered your own question,Tanis Half-Elven, far better than I could," the Forestmaster said gravely. "Say that that our lives are measured not by gain but by giving." -Dragonlance "Dragons of Autumn Twilight"

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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: fantasylndvictm]
    #7017830 - 06/07/07 12:55 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Ha, I didn't notice that.


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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: fantasylndvictm]
    #7018068 - 06/07/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Personally I think this is nonsense.

I've played it to several people and they have all said the same thing "Oh, it kinda sounds like it says Satan". Also, I told them not to read the words that are supposedly said whilst playing it backwards - reading them and listening to it trick your mind into matching the vague sounds to the "deciphered" words.

It's a coincidence, that's all!


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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: theorganicdomino]
    #7018098 - 06/07/07 03:56 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)
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a clip from Slipknot - Iowa played backwards


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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: Individual]
    #7018520 - 06/07/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

If you take any 8 minute song and play it backwards, you're going to find something vaguely resembling language. It doesn't mean there's satanic messages.


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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7019539 - 06/07/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not just talking about Satanic messages. I'm talking about anything, u can hear. :smile:


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"You have answered your own question,Tanis Half-Elven, far better than I could," the Forestmaster said gravely. "Say that that our lives are measured not by gain but by giving." -Dragonlance "Dragons of Autumn Twilight"

If we lived in luxury we would grow soft.

No human being truely knows their full capacity to love until they become a parent.


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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: fantasylndvictm]
    #7019664 - 06/07/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

the beatles have a bunch of weird shit in their music.

look it up on wikipedia.

also, Pink Floyd-Dark Side...Great Gig in the Sky
at go to 3:30 and listen at high volumes.




it says "if you hear this whisper, you are dying"


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Re: Soo music and hidden messages.... [Re: fantasylndvictm]
    #7019716 - 06/07/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Yea well i never listened to the music backward thing and what not. So i decided to look for some on youtube. I dont know how real these are or what. But they are creepy...especially the led zeppelin stairway to heavan, which im sure most of u have heard. What do u all think about Subliminal messages or hidden messages in music??




Robert Plant Interview, NPR, Fresh Air from WHYY, August 24, 2004 - Source


Re: The 'meaning' of "Stairway To Heaven" -
"It's onomatopoeic. I was thinking about, uh, the need for a more ... a sort of more organic relationship between our generation at the time who were living faster than fast, and - and - our environment, and the - the - uh ... at times were very, um, well, I suppose 'harum scarum'. And - and - "Stairway To Heaven" developed as a piece of music in one evening with Jimmy and myself, and that - that - kind of tone, that idiom about returning to nature to look for all of the signs to be - to be - aware of our environment yet again by the way that the old people, the people from long ago, marshalled their days, uh, marched to a different beat altogether. I thought it was an appropriate idiom to move into, because of the sort of majesty of the chord movement."

Given the reference to the "May-Queen", I think the lyrics could possibly at their worse have a neo-pagan / naturalist tone to them, rather than overtly Satanic. May Day is a very popular holiday in the UK. This would harmonize with the Celtic / UK roots of the band members.
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Definition of May-Queen





The lyrics are also vague enough that the song could be interpreted many ways by a broad audience - typical for music of that time. For example, one definition of May-Queen is, "the early part or springtime of life", especially that of a blossoming female. Combined with the interview, that could lead one to interpret it as simply a call for society to abandon materialism, power-lust, and industrialization, to sing to a different tune, and to have a change of mind or experience a rebirth by returning to nature, getting back to basics, back to our roots.

I've been a student of the Bible for 21 years, and I'm not a fan of Neo-paganism or Satanism. However, to make the back masking theory appear plausible, requires one to either creatively read into the backward garble, or receive a suggestive interpretation from a third party beforehand, which quite frankly taints the experiment.


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