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 luvdemshrooms
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 Re: opinions  [Re: ]
#718161 - 07/02/02 01:49 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
I think you would be harder pressed to find an intelligent "right winger"
To "their" way of thinking, intelligent means someone whos views are in lock-step with theirs.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: opinions [Re: Rono]
#718168 - 07/02/02 01:56 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
considering you aren't exposed to anything outside of the heavily censored U.S. media, your opinion of me carries little weight.
For you to assume I only read and watch US based news is both foolish, and more than a little pompous.
I venture to say that I do far more reading and thinking than the average person.
As to the "large percentage" agreeing with your views... that only re-enforces my view of the sorry state of most peoples minds. The simple fact that many, perhaps even the majority, think along the same lines as you carries no weight whatsoever. If there are ten fools in a room and one intelligent person, it does not have to follow that the ten fools are correct. It simply means that there are ten fools.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
Edited by luvdemshrooms (07/02/02 01:58 PM)
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 hongomon
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Alright, I propose a truce in the "who's smarter than who" debate.
Innvertigo, you say,
"I form my opinions through common sense with a foundation structure of individual rights."
I'm not exactly sure what the latter part of that is driving at, but as for "common sense," what makes you sure your common sense is reliable? If you rely on your common sense, and I rely on mine, yet we have completely opposing opinions, it is likely that at least one of us has been misled by our common sense. We may even both agree that we must be divorced from our emotions to make sound judgements, and we may have both been successful to do so. And yet, we entirely disagree.
Ultimately we can agree to disagree (maybe that's what you're referring to up there?), but it still reveals that our concept of common sense is subject to the same question as the one I asked regarding our forming of opinions.
So I'm looking for something more fundamental.
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Re: opinions [Re: hongomon]
#718553 - 07/02/02 05:34 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Geez Hongomon, I am sorry your thread turned into such a damn mess, including your two posts, there are a total of 7 that even mention how they form their opinions.
As to your assertation of "common sense" I have to agree. While Vert and myself, allowing that we hold as our basic premise that of individual liberty, we would most assuredly have the same view's when we say "common sense". To make a general statement, some persons, that would purport to want to "help people" would support the usage of taxes for those less fortunate than others. These people, when asked, would be most enthusiastic about their belief that "helping others", with the use of taxes, would lead to utopia, and, in their view it would only be "common sense".
Of course, they would be wrong, but that is irrelevant. The problem of their opinions is that they have not set forth a set of moral premises that acknowledge the importance of individual liberty, nor personal responsibility. While I agree, believe it or not, that helping others is a fine endeavor, and brings value to those helped and those helping, it begs the question of "common sense". For one, to help others does NOT require TAKING from anybody, this, it would seem, flies in the face of the afformentioned "common sense" argument.
Where am I going with this? Simply put, while there may be different views and definitions of "common sense" one need to do very little to show that some opinion's of "common sense" are horribly lacking the "sense" part of that statement. This is the reason that I tend to reject any argument that some must agree to disagree. Some people are simply wrong, they recognize this, admit to it, and follow it up with something ignorant like, well that's my OPINION.
Your question is excellent, I use it all the time. I often ask those with differing view than myself to explain how they came to the opinion they hold. It is often, privately, enjoyable to myself to see them squirm around with that question.
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Jammer
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RE: "Liberals are the worst of the lot where they base every decision in their being on feelings."
I guess that I'm a mixed-breed then.....
I base MY (voting) decisions on someything as stupid as MONEY.
Thats why I'm NOT a conservative. In my current salary bracket I would be an indiot to be fool heartly brainwashed into voting for someone that does not relate to my life.
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Edited by Jammer (07/02/02 06:54 PM)
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Innvertigo
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Re: opinions [Re: hongomon]
#720251 - 07/03/02 11:29 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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****"I form my opinions through common sense with a foundation structure of individual rights."
I'm not exactly sure what the latter part of that is driving at, but as for "common sense," ****
What i mean is that in order for my "common sense" to be valid it must not violate individual liberty ie: a philosophical base. My common sense is based on something concrete, unlike others who presume that common sense is as fluid as the liberals interpretation of our constitution....
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Innvertigo
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Re: opinions [Re: Jammer]
#720261 - 07/03/02 11:33 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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***I base MY (voting) decisions on someything as stupid as MONEY. ****
basing your decision to vote on money is not stupid as you presume. Money is not feelings and can be quantified....feelings can't.
****Thats why I'm NOT a conservative. In my current salary bracket I would be an indiot to be fool heartly brainwashed into voting for someone that does not relate to my life. ****
I like this argument because with it you presume that every rich person is conservative when all one has to do is look at the hollywood elite socialists to know that this way of thinking is flawed....for example a majority of the millionares in government (house and senate) are liberals.
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America....FUCK YEAH!!!
Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson
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