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Gymnopilus subspectabilis? What is this?
    #7010538 - 06/05/07 12:36 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I have been trying to see if Gymnopilus spectabilis grows in michigan. In the university of michigan database(seems to be very out of date) it brought up a find of Gymnopilus subspectabilis. I can't find any information thus I believe this species has been renamed. Here is a link to my results Link to results. I didn't know where else to ask this question so I figured maybe some veterans in the hunting forum would know what this species is. I thought maybe it was spectabilis renamed or something since the find was from 1961. Any ideas?


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Re: Gymnopilus subspectabilis? What is this? [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #7010555 - 06/05/07 12:41 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Ok the link don't work here is the content though.

Gymnopilus subspectabilis Hesler
Common Name:
Original Publication: North Amer. Sp. Gymnopilus 21 1969
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General Information
Technical Description:
Habitat:
Abundance:
Season:
Edible/Toxic: Poisoning Symptoms
Reference: page: fig.:
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Collection-Specific Information
Location: USA State: Michigan County: Washtenaw
Locality: Ann Arbor
Host or Habitat: On hardwood
Date of Collection: 25 Oct 1961
Submitter: Smith A. H. 64755
Annotated by:
Kind of Type: Holotype
Exsiccata:
Notes: Notes with collection
Conservation Status:
Available GenBank sequences, courtesy The National Center for Biotechnology Information, U. S. National Library of Medicine: 18S small subunit ribosomal RNA:
25S ribosomal RNA:
28S ribosomal RNA:
small subunit ribosomal RNA:
internal transcribed spacer 1/5.8S ribosomal RNA:


Here is a link to the Michigan herbarium fungus database query Gymnopilus under genus and select michgan for the state if you want to see the results for your self.


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Re: Gymnopilus subspectabilis? What is this? [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #7012052 - 06/05/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Gymnopilus subspectabilis? What is this? [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #7012315 - 06/05/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I'd bet 5 bucks gyms abide in michigan,look along forested rivers on hardwood from the end of July to winter.who cares what Hesler said.:igor:


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Re: Gymnopilus subspectabilis? What is this? [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #7012333 - 06/05/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I must remind you Heslers's guide is 36-years-old, But I doubt that has recently been changed very much, although mycologist recognize his work as valid scientific data.

I doubt there is such a species today.

Guzman's daughter, Dr. Laura Guzman-Davalos has G, subpurpuratus from Mexico. But all G. spectabilis are known known as G. junonius. And the Guzmans have done a complete research in the Mexican, and Central American groups of Gymnopilus in several areas and publoished papers in Spanish. If you want them you can buy them from the journals they appear in. this is what the students in school have to do now because many are strictly only on line. Especially scientific and medical data.

Gymnopilus junonius ("Gymnopilus spectabilis")
see:
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/gymnopilus_junonius.html

but first read this:

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[ Basidiomycetes > Agaricales > Cortinariaceae > Gymnopilus . . . ]

by Michael Kuo

This impressive mushroom is found growing in dense clusters on stumps and logs of both hardwoods and conifers--and a number of associated species names are found growing in a dense cluster, as well. These species (if they are truly distinct), are all fairly large mushrooms that have orange to orangish brown spore prints, bitter taste, and stems that feature rings or ring zones. The central species name is Gymnopilus junonius, which is the correct name for "Gymnopilus spectabilis," according to the most recent taxonomists.

The "true" Gymnopilus junonius grows on the wood of hardwoods or conifers, and has a stem that is usually about 1 or 2 cm thick and is not often swollen in the middle. It is widely distributed in North America. Gymnopilus ventricosus, from the Pacific Northwest, grows only on conifer wood and can reach astounding sizes (caps to 40 cm); it has a very thick stem that is often swollen in the middle and can reach a width of 10 cm. Both Gymnopilus junonius and Gymnopilus ventricosus are probably featured in the photos to the right. The yellowish, comparatively slender Gymnopilus luteus is found in eastern North America.

The strongly bitter taste makes Gymnopilus junonius undesirable as an edible, and it is not an easy mushroom for beginners to identify. Plus, eating it may cause the moon to slide through your cable connection and pop out of your television, just when you are least expecting it. But if this sounds entertaining (or at least more entertaining than what usually comes out of your television), I hasten to add that not all collections of Gymnopilus junonius are psychoactive (roughly, it appears that eastern versions are more likely to contain hallucinogens than western versions) and that possession of hallucinogens is illegal throughout North America.

More importantly, for folks who know next to nothing about mushrooms and may be cruising the Internet with the idea of getting high from mushrooms they find in the wild: you are putting your life at risk. Mushrooms are extremely hard to identify--not at all like trees, for example, or even birds. As everyone knows, there are deadly poisonous mushrooms, and accurate identification takes much more effort and study than you are probably willing to devote. Buying "shrooms" from a drug dealer is also illegal, and is also a dangerous enterprise--but it might not be as dangerous as trying to teach yourself how to identify hallucinogenic mushrooms by looking at a few Web pages and photos.

Description:

Ecology: Saprobic on the rotting wood of hardwoods and conifers; growing in clusters (or, rarely, alone); summer and fall (fall through spring on the West Coast); widely distributed in North America.

Cap: 5-40 cm, convex, becoming broadly convex or flat; dry; silky, or with tiny appressed fibers or scales; orange to brownish orange; the margin inrolled when young, sometimes adorned with partial veil remnants.

Gills: Attached to the stem or beginning to run down it; close; yellowish at first, eventually orangish to orange-brown.

Stem: 3-20 cm long; 1-6 cm thick; more or less equal, or swollen in the middle; silky near the apex; with an orangish to brownish ring zone or with a fairly sturdy ring (especially when young) that folds outward at the top and collects orange spores; covered with appressed fibers below the ring (and sometimes decidedly shaggy when young), but often almost smooth by maturity; rusty orange or yellowish.

Flesh: Thick and firm; yellowish.

Odor and Taste: Taste very bitter; odor mild or fragrant.

Spore Print: Bright rusty orange.

Chemical Reactions: KOH red, then promptly black on cap surface.

Microscopic Features: Spores 7-10 x 4.5-6 µ; roughened with very tiny warts; more or less elliptical; dextrinoid. Pleurocystidia present but inconspicuous; ventricose; 21-33 x 6-7 µ. Cheilocystidia present; more or less typical for the genus. Caulocystidia present (and often quite large) in G. junonius; not recorded for G. ventricosus.

REFERENCES: (Fries, 1821) Orton, 1960. (Saccardo, 1887; Smith, 1949; Hesler, 1969; Smith, Smith & Weber, 1979; Weber & Smith, 1985; Arora, 1986; States, 1990; Phillips, 1991/2005; Lincoff, 1992; Metzler & Metzler, 1992; Barron, 1999; Miller & Miller, 2006.) Herb. Kuo 01130502.

Further Online Information:

Gymnopilus spectabilis at MykoWeb
Gymnopilus junonius at Roger's Mushrooms
Gymnopilus ventricosus at Roger's Mushrooms
Gymnopilus junonius at Fungi of Poland




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Re: Gymnopilus subspectabilis? What is this? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7015589 - 06/06/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks mj.

Coon i intend to prove you right this season hopefully by finding some.


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Re: Gymnopilus subspectabilis? What is this? [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #7015603 - 06/06/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

dont make me come up there and find them for you.:grin:


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