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Re: Does casing yield better results?
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I would have to say yes, casing will produce a larger yeild. With a 1/2 pint PF cake you'll get between 3 and 5 grams dried. With a tray thats is cased, you can get between 20 and 35 grams dried. I uses 5 cakes per tray somtimes.

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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So with 5 cakes you get 20-35 grams? that adds up to almost the same amount.

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Casing by far yeilds more. Reason being, when you crumble/slice cakes up you are increasing the surface area of mycelium. Thus giving more area for fruiting to occur. When you birth a cake regular PF style, you are wasting the whole center of the cake. When casing you also add non-nutritional layers beneath and ontop of your crumbled mycelium. This simulates a cow patti in nature. It also helps provide moisture for developeing pins, often resulting in larger fruits or larger # of fruits. Casing is definately worth the extra step. I wouldn't waste my time birthing cakes. Its not hard as you may think. Casing is easy enough for the beginner, don't let people tell you to birth cakes until you get the hang of it. Sorry I have to go its 4:20 and people are waiting on me. Just case you'll be happy :smile:


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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Thanks for the info guys, but how many cakes should I use in one tray?

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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depends on the size of the tray. Also. Don't use a tray with clear sides, or use tin foil to cover up the clear spots, it will otherwise pin on the edge, and ya dont want that.

just crumble your cakes, and layer them over a 1/2" layer of wet verm until the cake level is about 1" deep or so. That's a good way to do it.

Peace
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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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I read at the Hawks eye site about this casing tek called 50/50. How do you sterilize the mix(wet verm)? or does it even have to be sterilized?

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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To get 5 dried grams per cake you need excellent conditions and about 2 strong flushers.

Like Lizard King said surface area is the key, I use 5 cakes a tray but I've got large trays. OH...thats another thing, it depends on your tray. You can easily get 10 grams dried from a "small" tray and 1 maybe 2 cakes. It will take some time for the mycelium to network and spread throughout your tray.

Cakes are nice! But in the amount of space that it takes to grow 10 cakes, you can produce a much larger yeild in that same amount of space if you case.

Have Fun!!!


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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Please tell me if you have to sterilize the vermiculite that you cover the cakes with...

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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As I Have learned recently from camel and shroom wizard...You DONT have to sterilize casing layers because at this point the mycelium is allready strong and mature and can fight off most contaminants on its own...and if you spot mold on the top of the casing layer you can remove it and replace it with fresh casing materials...However there are many people who sterilize their casings just to be safe I guess.

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Will the humidity from the bottom wet verm. help the humidity? Lemmie get this straight from the many teks i've read...

You leave the top on the case, and spray top layer with h20/h202 combo and fan TWICE a day. Then you stop spraying when pins form?

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Sterilizing casing material insn't really nessicary with Cubensis since the are so fast and hardy. Shroom Wizard and Camel were right. Sterilizing casing material is nessicary for more slower, delicate species of mushrooms that become infected easier.

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Lizard King, what about the PES Hawaiin strain? it's a cubie right?

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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from what I understand about casing(not much experience) is that it is really simple, a layer of wet sterile vermiculite, crumble cakes, then add a layer of jiffy mix. oyster shells also help but not neccesary. Remember anything i say has very little back ground at this point so be weary of what I say :smile:...


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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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I'm familiar with the Casing Tek it's just that I want to know if you have to sterilize the top casing(the part that goes over your cakes)??? If you guys say that I don't have to then I guess I'll trust you and try one cake without sterilizing...

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Ive never sterilized any casing,
and Ive been 100% sucessful.

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Ripsnort, what Tek do you use? I've read on Ryche's webpage about a 50/50 tek that sounds good, vermiculite on the bottom and verm and peatmoss on top. Have any of you tried this?

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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What about the utensils such as the knife to cut the cake with? should you sterilize it or spray it with lysol?

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Yea, 50/50's good. I've got a friend using it right now. He moistened the verm/peat mix in a pan, covered it w/ tin foil and baked @ 400ish for an hour. Don't forget to let it cool before you case with it. Oh yeah, about the knife, wash everything with hot soapy water, dry with a CLEAN towel, (not that dirty one hangin' off the fridge for two months) then spray with Lysol. Don't forget to clean all of the area your'e working in/on too


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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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I grow using the PF Tek,
because it is the best.

But when I case, Ill use unsterilized
100% potting soil,
or a plain vermiculite casing.

I also used the casing recipe
from The McKenna brothers book for a long time.

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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For peat moss, before mixing you need to remove large organic chunks. A mesh spaghetti strainer does quite nicely. Nevermind the larger peat that won't go through.

A friend of mine had an experiment verm casing survive. He says he's never seen such huge .. portabellos.


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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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I gotta say this -

I've cased, and I've caked. The results from casing can look very good indeed - - when all goes right. I have pics in the gallery here to show one of my better casings.

But, personally and in discussions with other longtime growers, I've found that a single lost casing represents a lot of time, materials, and effort. I've never lost a batch of PF-style jars to contams, but I've watched nearly colonized casings succumb to yellow and green molds on a number of occasions. I've also found that it is more difficult to regulate moisture in casings.

If you consistently succeed with casing, more power to you. Pat yourself on the back. If you're an on-again/off-again kind of grower, I'll bet you'll find that a good "cake farm" matches or outproduces your casing efforts when you consider the time put into the two methods. Many people get one good casing and declare that casing is the superior method. Their tune often changes after the second or third contaminated tray goes south.

Just my $.02.


Lazlo


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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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Thank you for all the good tips everyone, I'll have to try them...I mean I would try them if I were growing mushrooms but of course thats illegal.

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Re: Does casing yield better results? [Re: Lana]
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In my experience, casing will give a much larger yeild with taller shrooms. However, is something that requires a little more time and effort. I personaly sterilize my casing soil so I don't have to worry about bug eggs and other contams inherent in the soil. I havn't lost a casing yet so I'm pretty optimistic about it. Casing is not for everyone, but if your a meticulous, careful, and motivated person, then casing is for you.

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